Tom Delay indicted in campain finance scheme

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
and he freed the hostages in Iran...Pure brilliance.

Yo, your pants are on fire again.

In the United States, failure to resolve the crisis contributed to Ronald Reagan's defeat of Carter in the presidential election. After the election, with the assistance of Algerian intermediaries, successful negotiations began. On Jan. 20, 1981, the day of President Reagan's inauguration, the United States released almost $8 billion in Iranian assets and the hostages were freed after 444 days in Iranian detention; the agreement gave Iran immunity from lawsuits arising from the incident.

Nothing was done by the Reagan team.

[Dan Mc Intyre]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
The Sandinistas were anything but legitimate, in fact they were not allowing free elections, intimidating the opposition and trafficking drugs...Ever since Reagan aided the Contras, they have had a Democracy, and he freed the hostages in Iran...Pure brilliance.

Sorry Mul. Wrong again. The Sandinistas were quite popular in Nicaragua. They were building schools and medical facilities. We funded the Contras who were blowing that stuff up and killing citizens.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Dan Mc Intyre
The Sandinistas were quite popular in Nicaragua. They were building schools and medical facilities. We funded the Contras who were blowing that stuff up and killing citizens.

So that is why they got voted out of power huh?

Sup...



The Sandinistas were murderous tyrants who intimidated or killed political opponents and were funded by the Soviet Union...They were Marxist/Leninists...and, wouldn't you know it, defended by the American Democrat party.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by stevepaa
Yo, your pants are on fire again.

In the United States, failure to resolve the crisis contributed to Ronald Reagan's defeat of Carter in the presidential election. After the election, with the assistance of Algerian intermediaries, successful negotiations began. On Jan. 20, 1981, the day of President Reagan's inauguration, the United States released almost $8 billion in Iranian assets and the hostages were freed after 444 days in Iranian detention; the agreement gave Iran immunity from lawsuits arising from the incident.

Nothing was done by the Reagan team.

Wow, this is why Carter at every interview where the topic comes up tows the party line.

You just destroyed a half dozen conspiracy theories.

Any good links to go with this?

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by stevepaa
Yo, your pants are on fire again.

In the United States, failure to resolve the crisis contributed to Ronald Reagan's defeat of Carter in the presidential election. After the election, with the assistance of Algerian intermediaries, successful negotiations began. On Jan. 20, 1981, the day of President Reagan's inauguration, the United States released almost $8 billion in Iranian assets and the hostages were freed after 444 days in Iranian detention; the agreement gave Iran immunity from lawsuits arising from the incident.

Nothing was done by the Reagan team.

Dream on. While the facts may be more or less correct, the Iranians were scared spitless of Reagan. The guy I have worked with for the last 5 years worked in the Reagan White House. Iran would have been turned into a large glass parking lot and would have glowed for hundreds of years had they not been released.

You notice that they were released within minutes of Reagan taking the oath of office? That was done for a reason and the reason is that Ronnie gained possession of the nuke codes and was ready to use them.

They knew that Reagan had the balls that Carter lost years ago and would have nuked them on day 2 of his administration. By sundown on day 1 the hostages were in another country.

JoeA

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Dan Mc Intyre
Sorry Mul. Wrong again. The Sandinistas were quite popular in Nicaragua. They were building schools and medical facilities. We funded the Contras who were blowing that stuff up and killing citizens.

Like all communists, the Sandinistas were ruthless toward dissenters; by 1983, their prisons held more political prisoners than those of any Western Hemisphere nation except Cuba. The Sandinistas also produced what every communist regime produces: a flood of refugees. It was estimated in 1986 that one-10th of Nicaragua's population had fled from Sandinista repression.

JewishWorldReview

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by Dan Mc Intyre
Sorry Mul. Wrong again. The Sandinistas were quite popular in Nicaragua. They were building schools and medical facilities. We funded the Contras who were blowing that stuff up and killing citizens.

Not completely. There were factions on both sides in this, I was there and saw it. We supported one side and the others had their own support network. Each side had their supporters and both had good and bad issues.

It was not as "black and white" as you describe it above. Then you add a jungle, lots of M-16's and AK-47's and it can get sporty real fast.

JoeA

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Dream on. While the facts may be more or less correct, the Iranians were scared spitless of Reagan.

So do you agree with what was said or what?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Like all communists, the Sandinistas were ruthless toward dissenters; by 1983, their prisons held more political prisoners than those of any Western Hemisphere nation except Cuba. The Sandinistas also produced what every communist regime produces: a flood of refugees. It was estimated in 1986 that one-10th of Nicaragua's population had fled from Sandinista repression.

JewishWorldReview

Thus, in perfect Khmer Rouge style, the Sandinistas inflicted a ruthless forcible relocation of tens of thousands of Indians from their land. Like Stalin, they used state-created famine as a weapon against these "enemies of the people."

The Sandinista army committed myriad atrocities against the Indian population, killing and imprisoning approximately 15,000 innocent people. The crimes included not only mass murders of innocent natives themselves, but a calculated liquidation of their entire leadership – as the Soviet army had perpetrated against the Poles in Katyn in 1943.



Ex-Communist David Horowitz's FrontPageMagazine

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by kach22i
So do you agree with what was said or what?

Not sure if the facts are accurate, so cannot agree or disagree. When StevePaa puts a link or supports his argument then we can all see if its accurate.

I am 100% sure of the info I posted as I know the man who worked with Reagan very well.

JoeA

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
We supported one side and the others had their own support network. Each side had their supporters and both had good and bad issues.

Ya, like the Soviet Union.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Ya, like the Soviet Union.

Do not talk about it much but we really liked the "lend lease" program with the Ruski's while I was flying in CenAmerica at this time. They would have several large freighters docked all the time.

We would go to the docks and pick up a case of Stoli Vodka. They sold a 2 liter bottle for just over a buck. They loved American money and we got some very good deals there.

Then we always refueled in Mexico on the way back to CONUS. When we returned to the plane there would always be a 2 liter bottle of Kahlua on each pilots seat, courtesy of the local "hefe" at the airport. Course the Jack Daniels we gave him on the way down helped things along!

Driving home after landing in the states we would hit the 7-11 for some milk and life was good. Got addicted to Black Russians for years after that.

Joe A

[Mulhollanddose]

Looks like you developed a sweet tooth...I sure wish the American left could shake their sweet tooth to communism.

[stevepaa]

JoeA.
We all remember that day. There even was a rumor that Reagan had forestalled the release until he was inaugerated.

Most plausible reason for waiting was just pure spite from Khomeini against Carter.

I was in grad school when the Shah was overthrown. The Iranian students celebrated and gave us all an earful about the Shah. They had not said a word before for fear of retaliation at home

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0825448.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis

[stevepaa]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
Dream on. While the facts may be more or less correct, the Iranians were scared spitless of Reagan. The guy I have worked with for the last 5 years worked in the Reagan White House. Iran would have been turned into a large glass parking lot and would have glowed for hundreds of years had they not been released.

You notice that they were released within minutes of Reagan taking the oath of office? That was done for a reason and the reason is that Ronnie gained possession of the nuke codes and was ready to use them.

They knew that Reagan had the balls that Carter lost years ago and would have nuked them on day 2 of his administration. By sundown on day 1 the hostages were in another country.

JoeA

You can not really believe this? Reagan would have been just as stymied. Nuke Iran and kill our own people. Your boss is in fantasy land.

[Joeaksa]

Carter was ready to risk killing part or all of them on a shakey rescue mission that should never have landed in foreign soil, so why in the world do you think that Reagon would have been "stymied"...

Reagan would have chewed them up and spit them out. Fantasy land is a bit closer to your house IMHO.

JoeA

[stevepaa]

Joe
Reagan may have done something more forceful than Carter. The military is tasked with developing these plans and assessing risks. Carter's decision seemed to be good at the time.

So how would Reagan have rescued the hostages?

The implication from your boss for the use of nuclear option is ludicrous.

Reagan would never have considered the nuclear option. He would not want to go down in history like that.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by stevepaa
The implication from your boss for the use of nuclear option is ludicrous.

Reagan would never have considered the nuclear option. He would not want to go down in history like that.

Like Teddy Roosevelt said, walk softly and carry a big stick. The nukes were his big stick and he used the threat of being able to use them very well.

You cannot say that what Reagan would do unless you were working with him at the time. You already said that you were still in school at that time so I doubt that you had any personal contact with Reagan then or later. I have seen my guy with Reagan both at the White House and again before his death, so thats a bit stronger testament to where he comes from.

I have to stop posting on threads like this for a while. I keep getting private emails from Pelican saying that I should QUIT and not sure if it means posting or what.

Anyway, will let you guys hash it out among yourselves...

JoeA

EDIT: have heard from several others on the forum that they have also gotten this message and that its a server error. Have made a post on the OT board to see how many of us are getting this but this is interesting.

[CamB]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Sober...I agree, and if Delay is guilty of some type of "quid pro quo"...I say hang him high...Alas, this has the appearance of being a smoke-screen and witch hunt by a proven elected partisan Democrat who is using the court system as a tool to inflict political damage.

Well, I read this morning that Delay has been told off by the House Ethics Committee (bipartisan) more than any other sitting member.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

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Joeaksa - You have a PM.