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Joeaksa 10-02-2005 10:28 AM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
I'm thinking these people here think there's some sort of "payoff" conspiracy....like they paid off the grand jury or something. How likely is that?
No one can pay off 5 Grand Juries without it making its way out to the public. There is usually 10-15 people on each jury and no way that would have happened without someone talking.

I have searched for an hour and cannot find any schedule for any of the past or current Grand Juries in Austin. Not sure how they work it in Tx but here in AZ a Grand Jury is called but not made public in many cases. Good luck finding dates.

Agree with Tech on one thing, Earle did not indict Delay, the Grand Jury did. Course they are following his lead when he brought the indictment to them in the first place. They cannot do it without his lead. They indicted him after he asked them to do so.

The courts will decide and DeLay will be acquitted. They a lot of people will have even more egg on their faces.

Joe A

cool_chick 10-02-2005 12:43 PM

I looked forever too. I can't find substantiation either.

How do you know Delay will be acquitted? You say this based on what?

Joeaksa 10-02-2005 01:19 PM

If it takes 6 Grand Juries to even get a simple indictment on him, then all its going to take is one or two people on the jury who are not sure of his guilt to acquit, then its over. If the evidence that Earle had was cut and dried then the first Grand Jury would have given him the go ahead, and not waited until five more were called.

Earle is doing this to showboat and now he has done it. Almost 50% of the writeups I have seen say that this will bite Earle in the rear, not the other way around.

No one knows but if I were a betting man, my money would be on DeLay coming out of this smelling better than Earle.

Joe A

cool_chick 10-02-2005 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
If it takes 6 Grand Juries to even get a simple indictment on him, then all its going to take is one or two people on the jury who are not sure of his guilt to acquit, then its over. If the evidence that Earle had was cut and dried then the first Grand Jury would have given him the go ahead, and not waited until five more were called.

Earle is doing this to showboat and now he has done it. Almost 50% of the writeups I have seen say that this will bite Earle in the rear, not the other way around.

No one knows but if I were a betting man, my money would be on DeLay coming out of this smelling better than Earle.

Joe A

1. that's if this "6 grand juries" is even true.

2. If Earle was doing this to showboat, then I don't know why 11 out of 15 indictments were against democrats. That makes no sense.

3. did you read that grand jury foreman article I posted?

4. I have no idea whether Delay is guilty or not. I haven't seen any of the evidence, nor have you. Nor have those who are doing these "writeups." You can bet, but your bet is as blind as mine would be.

Mulhollanddose 10-02-2005 01:36 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
Earle is doing this to showboat and now he has done it. Almost 50% of the writeups I have seen say that this will bite Earle in the rear, not the other way around.
Earle is a neo-fascist...Democrats are dirty and they realize they can do massive damage, with the help of their friends in the media, by just accusing a crime...In this case Earle has the power of "indictment" behind him and he is using it like a fascist. Not only, like a fascist, is he using his power to oppress a political opponent but he is using Republican rules against Republicans (the rule that demands a Republican under indictment must step down)...This rule, naturally, the Democrats do not impose upon themselves, but they demand and capitalize on it from Republicans.

Apparently Earle and the DNC trust Republicans more than they do their own party, as they know Republicans will adhere to their self-imposed rules, yet the Democrats wouldn't do the same by setting a like standard party wide.

Democrats rallying behind campaign finance regulations?...laughable.

cool_chick 10-02-2005 01:45 PM

I would think the democrats hate him since the vast majority of his indictments are against democrats.

Not to mention the rest of your post...do you honestly believe that? You honestly, now, honestly, believe one political party is "all good" and the other is "all bad?"

Mulholland, you are one funny man. Damn fine, yep, but very funny nonetheless.

Joeaksa 10-02-2005 01:57 PM

That is an interesting point. Earle is a Democrat but goes after his party members more than Republicans.

Will be fun to watch...

JoeA

cool_chick 10-02-2005 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
That is an interesting point. Earle is a Democrat but goes after his party members more than Republicans.

Will be fun to watch...

JoeA

Yeah, pesonally, I like that. 12 democrats and 4 republicans. I'm so sick of protecting bad people when they're on "my side". A prosecutor should actually do his job and be party-blind, illegal-activity-busting driven, that's his freaking job for goodnesssakes.

Mulhollanddose 10-02-2005 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
Mulholland, you are one funny man. Damn fine, yep, but very funny nonetheless.
I don't know if I should blush, put you over my knee and give you a little lesson, or a little of both.

CamB 10-02-2005 02:40 PM

Are you sure that it isn't you who want the spanking Mul, I know you dream of Coulter that way ;)

Mulhollanddose 10-02-2005 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
I would think the democrats hate him since the vast majority of his indictments are against democrats.

Not to mention the rest of your post...do you honestly believe that? You honestly, now, honestly, believe one political party is "all good" and the other is "all bad?"
I do not know what motivated the indictments against Democrats...I do know, however, that he goes after big target Republicans (don't know if he has gone after big-target Ds, or if he supported the opposition to the Ds he pursued).

His overt political campaigning, speeches at D fundraisers, and the fact that he made a movie addressing the Delay witch-hunt makes an honest observer raise an eyebrow...They have a saying in politics, "a prosecutor can get a Grand Jury to indict a ham-sandwich"...Well, as Delay says himself, this sandwich has no ham.

This dog won't hunt.

Joeaksa 10-02-2005 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I don't know if I should blush, put you over my knee and give you a little lesson, or a little of both.
Mul, Take it from someone who has met her face to face, in this situation I bet that CC would put up a good fight. Women do not fight fair so you have been warned!

JA

Mulhollanddose 10-02-2005 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
[B]Mul, Take it from someone who has met her face to face, in this situation I bet that CC would put up a good fight. Women do not fight fair so you have been warned!
Maybe we can have the 1st Annual Pelican Mud-wrestling match in Vegas....ding ding ding ding!

cool_chick 10-02-2005 03:20 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
I do not know what motivated the indictments against Democrats...I do know, however, that he goes after big target Republicans (don't know if he has gone after big-target Ds, or if he supported the opposition to the Ds he pursued).

His overt political campaigning, speeches at D fundraisers, and the fact that he made a movie addressing the Delay witch-hunt makes an honest observer raise an eyebrow...They have a saying in politics, "a prosecutor can get a Grand Jury to indict a ham-sandwich"...Well, as Delay says himself, this sandwich has no ham.

This dog won't hunt.

That there is a ton of speculation. That's all you have...speculation.

We'll just have to see.

(sidenote, did you read that article I posted about the jury foreman?)

Edit: and the mud wrestling challenge is on! LOL

Mulhollanddose 10-02-2005 03:34 PM

What interests me is the amount of indictments on Clinton cronies for fund-raising violations, and convictions for that matter, yet for some uncanny reason the Clintons themselves are never charged...These fund-raising scandals are near buried by the LSM, yet Delay gets targeted by partisan prosecutor and within 3 days it gets more coverage than all of team Clinton's fund-raising scandals combined...Sometimes media bias is manifest in amount of coverage, not spin alone.

Joeaksa 10-02-2005 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Maybe we can have the 1st Annual Pelican Mud-wrestling match in Vegas....ding ding ding ding!
There would be a lot of people paying to see that. Still wonder if you would win...

JoeA

cool_chick 10-02-2005 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
What interests me is the amount of indictments on Clinton cronies for fund-raising violations, and convictions for that matter, yet for some uncanny reason the Clintons themselves are never charged...These fund-raising scandals are near buried by the LSM, yet Delay gets targeted by partisan prosecutor and within 3 days it gets more coverage than all of team Clinton's fund-raising scandals combined...Sometimes media bias is manifest in amount of coverage, not spin alone.
I don't know where the hell you were....I was up to my ears in Clinton scandals of the week and the media...

Starr's "charges" of the week.... Oh yes, I remember alright. Do you block things out or something? Because you didn't even remember the Clinton Aide trial....I mean, where were you?

Trust me, there is no "worldwide media conspiracy" going on.

Mulhollanddose 10-02-2005 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
Trust me, there is no "worldwide media conspiracy" going on.
Trust me, there is...Do they sit around in conspiracy headquarters to plan their strategy?...No...Do they attend the same parties, travel in the same circles, stay at the same 5-star hotels, vacation in the same elitist hot-spots, and share the same ideology?...Yes, they certainly do.

Joeaksa 10-02-2005 03:47 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
Trust me, there is no "worldwide media conspiracy" going on.
Ahmmm... It may not be a conspiracy but they sure are reporting a lot of things on the conservative side of the country that never get mentioned if a liberal does the very same thing... Even a blind person can see that the reporting is not "fair and balanced" so to speak with the majority of the news outlets.

BTW, did read your comments about the Grand Jury and it is really meaningless unless there is some documentation from the foreman. His saying that there were "stacks and stacks of paperwork" supporting Earle's cause does not mean that much. If Earle had these "stacks and stacks" of paperwork then why did not the first 5 GJ not act on it? If this paperwork was not available for the first 5 GJ then that opens up the possibility of forgery. Not saying it was but 60 minutes found out last year the hard way about this.

Lets wait and see what the court says.

JoeA

Mulhollanddose 10-02-2005 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
I don't know where the hell you were....I was up to my ears in Clinton scandals of the week and the media...

Starr's "charges" of the week.... Oh yes, I remember alright. Do you block things out or something? Because you didn't even remember the Clinton Aide trial....I mean, where were you?
You answered your own question...The media was running cover for Clinton, as evidenced by Starr getting blamed for Clinton's crimes...Starr was a prosecutor allowed off the leash by Clinton's Justice Department (leftist demonization aside, Republicans had nothing to do with it)...You notice how Reno didn't unleash a special prosector to investigate the Chinese Military monies raised at the WhiteHouse...You notice how the media covered up the rape charge by Juanita Brodderick...You notice how Barbara Battalino was convicted by the Clinton Justice Department for "lying about sex", yet the media was silent.

Clinton was kept alive by the media, a media that spent more time painting the Republicans as the culprit than the prosecutor.


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