You are correct sir!! http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/03/international/europe/03paris.html?ex=1146632400&en=f41c5b4fa462c080&ei= 5087&excamp=GGGNfrenchriots

Why does the Government have to provide jobs? Oh wait, work for money? Why work for money when you're handed a subsidised apartment, money for free and healthcare?

And "the fire" is "le feu" en francais, "el fuego" en espanol...

Nobody disputes this...however there really was a Renault Fuego
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1131498737.jpg

If your IQ is less than your shoe size what kind of job are you going to get? - one that pays less than state handouts.
There are clever educated guys who do dig themselves out of the poor handout line and become qualified well paid.
The rest are like their bretheren in the UK, selling drugs stealing cars and pimping to make a living.
The murder capitol of the UK is Nottingham thanks to Jamaican illegal immegrants who use guns to settle their drug turf wars, the eastern Europeans are doing the same in London. Nice in France does a nice line in Soviet block prostitutes.
Most of this has little to do with Islam - a yob, a thief and a thug dont have any religion anyway - problem is it provides a breeding ground to be manipulated by those with a Muslim political agenda.
The arrests today in Australia are another example.

And at this rate the French tourist trade will collapse - and more of the young arabs and blacks will be out of a job.

The French previously took a hard line against student unrest - but as one wit here commented earlier - the French surrendered to the Germans when less damage had been done in Paris.

Not only have they been too slow to react they have been too soft.

Cool! That means a cheap trip to Paris soon!

The difference, I think, is that dumb people in the US have to work two or three jobs at $5-7/h to be able to survive. That leaves very little time for burning cars. Then, if you are smarter, you can work less time and make more money. And then, you become busy spending the money on silly things, like fixing old Porsches...
The bottom line is that socialism has not worked in France, but I still feel bad for the 70-80 year olds in the US who still have to work and no other choice. Or those who are stuck in low paying jobs and cannot afford the time or money for an education.

Aurel

Part of the problem is expectation - if you dont have the latest tv, Renault Clio or a flat in the posh part of Paris you feel a failure. If you girlfriend is to ugly to appear on the front page of Elle magazine you are a failure.

They should get off their arses and work at something - or shutup and consider themselves better off than their grandparents.

Perhaps a real trenches war is whats needed. Thats what Europe used to rid itself of cannon fodder no-hopers isnt it?

My grandparents worked in coalmines and pottery factories.

This was the working environment......

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No love lost for the French, or Socialism, but is this really much different from our Watts and Detroit riots? Just pissed off 18-25 year olds making a mess 'cause they don't have enough of the 'good things'?

Same thing, but in the US, it was Martin Luther King who gave voice and focus to the unrest. Who will speak for the muslim youth in Paris? Let's hope it's not Osama.

Moses, hate to disagree (especially since all you have done for my people) but I was a Nat'l Guardsman in Watts 1965.

There was no 'cause', just a bunch of looters and trashers pissed off with the establishment and too much time on their hands. Same thing happened in Nawlins after the hurricane.

Are you sure your here? :confused:

We should be careful of making too much fun of the French. The are plenty of communites in New York and elsewhere with plenty of "sitting on stoop" and 50% or more unemployment among working age men.

But aren't both of these, or maybe i should phrase as, might not both of these be manifestations of the disenfranchised feeling that enables this kind of rioting? If you feel cutoff from the main society you don't care about the things you are burning.

I grew up in an urban "inner city" environment and this kind of thing happened there as well in the 60's. It wasn't religious but economic.

So couldn't the Paris problem also be due to economic disenfranchisement?

I was poor, my parents were poor - their parents were poor, no rioting - because even the poor had standards. My father would have dragged me to the police if I survived the punishment for burning a car that he would have given me.

It's to do with Frances' inability to react quickly - and the current thug culture that has infested the young.

The "me-too" occurences in other European cities are more to do with yobs than fancy ecconomic claptrap and politically correct mumbo jumbo.

Its a public order issue handled very badly by the French.

These yobs dont want hard work and jobs - they want handouts with free housing and child support if they bang up their neighbours daughter.

Aurel, You are scaring me my friend...
...I think you are actually coming around. :)

This is whole argument that it is because they are poor is a crock of crap...They are Islamics, they are yelling "allah akbar" while they are killing people, burning France and torching innocent old ladies...There is no difference in age between these Islamics and those who go on jihad...This is what it is for them, a jihad.

Interesting how they are rioting because of oppression in France (the great socialist utopia that it is), but when it is Turkey the news activists are themselves trying to link the recent bombing to Bush...Agenda agenda agenda...Can't tie France's Islamofascist violence on Bush, so it must be because of repression and lack of opportunity.

Chrissy Matthews was trying to brainwash the public with that line tonight.

when was the last time you were in france?
and did you actually talk to any of the locals?

just curious ...
SmileWavy Andy

http://www.ogrish.com/archives/2005/november/ogrish-dot-com-french_riots.wmv

Hit the "scenes from riots" button (warning--the site is graphic gore, so do not open anything else unless you have a strong stomach)

And now the weather report for Francehttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1131612552.jpg

The AP reports today:

PARIS - Violence in France fell sharply overnight, the police chief said Thursday, one day after the government toughened its stance by imposing emergency measures and ordering deportations of foreigners involved in riots that have raged for two weeks.

But not really:

"Arsonists attacked again overnight, the 14th straight day of violence. However, car burnings fell again overnight to 482 from 617 the previous night..."

"Overnight, vandalism at two power stations caused blackouts in parts of Lyon, France's second-largest city, police said."

"Vandals set 11 cars ablaze and rammed a burning car into a primary school in the southern city of Toulouse, damaging its entrance, police said. Another school was set on fire in the eastern city of Belfort."