(not really) intelligent design - Page 7

Mulhollanddose · 11-09-2005, 04:14 PM

"A sucker is born every minute" -- PT Barnum

alf · 11-09-2005, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
...This is a Christian nation, founded by Christians and for Christians (as a Founding Father once opined)...

You have to be joking.

Flatbutt1 · 11-09-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by HardDrive
IWhat I do mind is them trying to pass their religous belief off as science.

I find it disturbing to see people of faith taking part in such an obvious fraud in the hopes of foisting their religous beliefs on the rest of the population.

+1 !
Also I don't need to know which is true. I really don't. And I don't need to disprove anyone's faith. Further if it is a matter of faith to the C / ID crowd, why do they need to prove it?

alf · 04:27 PM

Mul
In case you forgot...says nothing about Christianity and that is one of the things that makes this country great. We are not a religious state.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Flatbutt1 · 11-09-2005, 04:46 PM

Hmmm . . .what if god created evolution? what then?

alf · 11-09-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by Flatbutt1
Hmmm . . .what if god created evolution? what then?

That would be an intelligent thing to do...

Mulhollanddose · 11-09-2005, 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by alf
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What motivated this philosophy alf?...Was it the fear of church interfering with state, or state interfering with church?

"Our constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." -- John Adams

Mulhollanddose · 11-09-2005, 06:08 PM

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Originally posted by alf
You have to be joking.

Good ole' public schools.

alf · 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
What motivated this philosophy alf?...Was it the fear of church interfering with state, or state interfering with church?

"Our constitution was made only for a religious and moral people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other." -- John Adams

Stay on point Mul, i was questioning your statement that the US was created for Christians by Christians.

Christianity is not the only religion.

alf · 11-09-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Good ole' public schools.

I actually attended a Methodist School most of my life.

Mulhollanddose · 11-09-2005, 06:17 PM

Then what motivates you to make such an ill-informed comment?

alf · 11-09-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Then what motivates you to make such an ill-informed comment?

Which comment was ill-informed from your perspective?

alf

Mulhollanddose · 11-09-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally posted by alf
Stay on point Mul, i was questioning your statement that the US was created for Christians by Christians.

Christianity is not the only religion.

Chipping at the foundation of your obviously uninformed perspective is a part of my strategy (staying on point). The Adams quote is only one of many evidences that I hope will shake you from your wanton reality slumber.

We still pray before Congress. We still swear on Bibles before court proceedings. We still recognize Sunday as a Federal day of rest...The Constitution ends in the statement "Our day of the LORD..."

Mulhollanddose · 11-09-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by alf
You have to be joking.

Regarding my statement "This is a Christian nation, founded by Christians and for Christians (as a Founding Father once opined).

What religion do you think Adams intended?...Certainly not Islam, Buddhism or Judaism...or any other lesser religion. It is the Judeo-Christian philosophy of one God that has made this country great, and made this country the tolerant nation it is...This should be recognized and celebrated as it is unique to America...It should not be shoved down the memory hole as the ACLU fight religiously to achieve.

alf · 11-09-2005, 06:29 PM

Mul
Freedom or religion is a conerstone of our nation. If you disagree that is fine, i will defend your right to Freedom of Speech.

alf

SirAndy · 11-09-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Obviously those, historically, who have been enamored with secular humanism have had a much greater tendency towards control of others. Time and again...The very freedoms you enjoy have a foundation in Christianity...This is a Christian nation, founded by Christians and for Christians (as a Founding Father once opined)...with the freedom to either choose to believe or not, without government intrusion...This is unique to America, this is why we are the greatest country on Earth.

Show me where the false god of Evolution has ever led to a better society...We saw how Hitler used Darwinian theory in constructing his "master race."

if i'm not mistaken, this is exactly the kind of thinking that got your ancestors thrown out of europe in the first place ...

too bad you haven't learned anything from that experience ...

Andy

Mulhollanddose · 11-09-2005, 06:34 PM

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." -- Patrick Henry

You want to see this country descend into chaos, alf?...Pull the God of the Christians, the ONLY God, from the public sphere...God is the lynchpin, whether you like it or not...The more we turn our back on this God, that has blessed us so much, the more we indeed do slip into the morally decayed morass of secular humanism.

Mulhollanddose · 11-09-2005, 06:39 PM

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if i'm not mistaken, this is exactly the kind of thinking that got your ancestors thrown out of europe in the first place ...

too bad you haven't learned anything from that experience ...

Andy

You are mistaken...My "kind" fled Europe and founded a limited government design that attempted to prevent, through a representative framework, precisely the encroachements on religion and personal liberty that the Democrats are attempting today...The "red coats are coming "and they vote Democrat.

alf · 11-09-2005, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians, not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ! For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." -- Patrick Henry

Perhaps i am reading this wrongly, English is not my mother tounge...but this statement seems to contridict your previous quote that our nation was built by Christians FOR Christians.

Mulhollanddose · 11-09-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by alf
Mul
Freedom or religion is a conerstone of our nation. If you disagree that is fine, i will defend your right to Freedom of Speech.

alf

alf, you are reading into what I said, something I did not say...I never said, nor ever would, that you should worship the God who inspired the Founding Fathers, and their constituency, to create the greatest country on Earth...Have your will, God gave it to you...Just don't forget what religion, even if they were fantastically wrong, laid the groundwork for the prosperity you enjoy today.