A little way to LOWER GAS $$ plz read no joking

[degreeoff1]

Here goes,

Got an email from a freind stating in laymans terms that the 2 BIG gas comp's are killing the market. EXXON and MOBIL. their prices are too high which chain reacts to all the other gas comp's.

HERE IS THE FIX

STOP BUYING FROM THEM!!!

its that simple, they lose $$ and drop the $$$ IF WE ALL!!!!! act together and tell 10 or so people in a few weeks they will be losing their ASSES....and price will go down

Ive told 4 not including you all so DO YOUR PART...there is NO REASON for the price to be sooooo HIGH aside from making them RICH...I value my $$ do you??

[Wil Ferch]

Tell your Brainiac friend that Exxon and Mobil are the SAME company....

...so much for knowing what he's talking about !!

Noble try, and I wish it would work...but don't be naive

- Wil

[Joe Bob]

Also the independents buy from Mobil/Exxon refineries. It's the suppliers and the future traders that drive up the prices...when one Saudi prine farts it ripples down the line.

[Jim Sims]

Filled up yesterday with $3.05 a gallon premium. Checking my gasoline log I note that that's still 20 cents below last year's high. I now fully expect to see $3.50 a gallon before October. Which I believe will still be below historic highs adjusted for inflation. Parked next to a new Hummer H2 today; I actually don't think driving habits/lifestyles will change much until the cost equivalent of $5.00/gallon in today's money is reached. Boycott all you want, most of the population doesn't give a hoot; they'll cut back on food (which they probably need to do) to put fuel in their vehicles.

[degreeoff1]

Well I have been edgeamikated.....

But maybe it'd work...Hell I'll try anything once, twice if I like it!

[SC Schrauber]

better buy Exxon stocks

[dtw]

Ahhh, $52 to fill up the 5 this morning...heh, a friend of mine up the road has started importing Smart cars and thus far is charging whatever he wants for them.

[SteveP]

Hey guys.

Count yourselves lucky! The price of a gallon of 96 octane here in New Zealand is $7.75...

:-(
Steve

[sammygon1]

Our gas prices are artificially low anyway. Just look at what they pay in Europe. Of course their road tax is paid at the pump. I seriously doubt that $3.00 a gallon today is a higher real price than the oil prices during the '70's crisis.
By the way, I think high gas prices suck. My other car is a Land Rover 14mpg city/highway, it doesn't matter.
-Sam

[StevoRocket]

My annual road tax is 195 uk pounds (341 US dollars) and pump price for 95 octane is 0.93 per litre = 4.22 uk pounds per gallon (7.39 US dollars per gallon).
So we pay both ways.
And you dont know how lucky you are!

[red-beard]

Do you even know what is driving the GASOLINE market? Do you understand why? It was a stupid power play in Congress.

EPA - and I won't get into the unconstitutional nature of the organization, established specific clean air targets for air around the country. There are presently 36 different blends of Gasoline mandated by the EPA for different cities in the US. Depending on the time of year, different levels or mix of pollutants, etc, here is the formula for your gasoline.

In the late 90's, to futher reduce CO, oxygenators were mandated in the Mix. The 2 approved ones are: MTBE and Ethanol. MTBE can be as high as 10% of the Gasoline mixture. Ethanol when used is usually no higher than 5%.

So why was MTBE used and not Ethanol? MTBE mixes more easily with Gasoline (more closely related on a molecular level). Ethanol picks up water. When Gasoline is stored and transported, it gets exposed to water. The Ethanol is a closer cousin to Water than a long chained Hydrocarbon and more easily mixes with the Water. It can make the ethanol separate out of the Gasoline mix, defeating the whole purpose of adding it in the first place. The underground tanks (Also mandated by law) do a better job of making water. The pipelines may allow water to leak in. So, the problem is you cannot use piplines to ship Ethanol or Ethanol mixed fuel, which makes it more expensive.

Now instead of mixing MTBE at the refinery and piping it to the end source, you have to mix it at the end terminal with TRUCKED ethanol.

Next problem. Ethanol is in short supply. WHAT? With all the E85 and other commercials on TV, we find that we actually don't have enough Ethanol produced in the US to supply the Oxygenate needs we have. So the price goes up....

SO why don't we continue using MTBE in the mean time? Well, MTBE is thought to be cancer causing. And the gasoline refiners have got around lawsuits up to this time because they were mandated to use the stuff. Now they have a "choice" which means the legal protection is gone. The legal protection ends in May. COngress was supposed to pass legislation to protect the refiners, but they would prefer to play reindeer games, leap frog and other games known only to congress.

Now remember where I said that MTBE is 10% of the mix and Ethanol is 5%? What makes up the other 5% when you switch to Ethanol? Very good. Gasoline. You have to make more Gasoline if you use Ethanol. We are at capacity for refineries right now. There are still many refineries down here in Texas and Louisiana that are not back on line after Katrina and Rita. Be very thankful that Rita went North and missed Houston, or we would have lost 20+ refineries instead of 2 in Beaumont.

So, we have an infrastructure that is not correct for a Federally mandated situation. We have an "Alternative" fuel that is in short supply. We are under capacity for refineries (And do even talk to me about building new ones!). `And all of this points to our good old government interference is the leading cause.

Thanks Guys!

[nostatic]

one word: motorcycle

[Jim Richards]

red-beard, your disertation came from CNN Money, no?

[red-beard]

Hand written.

[degreeoff1]

I,ve got the motercycle, its 40+mpg...(1100 Vtwin) cant haul the children in it though and the Scion is edging up on 30mpg but the work TRUCK gets 12mpg...ouch!! and thats a $80 fillup 1.5 times a week... ARG!!

I do feeel for you europeans though and the peanut butter is flowing ....

Anybody know if those Dodge sprinters really get that good a milage...I've heard 25mpg +?? thinking about a new work truck.

[Mulhollanddose]

A little way to LOWER GAS $$ plz read no joking


End liberalism and punch an environmentalist lying nazi in the mouth (or just about any environmentalist--same thing).

[speeder]

Or you could punch a lying neocon President in the mouth for starting a war based on BS in the country w/ the 2nd biggest oil reserves on earth. Do you know that oil production is down ~40% from pre-invasion 2003 in Iraq? Oh yeah, that....

And production there was not @ 100% before due to infrastructure issues. Ask any true expert on worldwide oil supplies and pricing and they will explain that approx. $20.00 a barrel of the price right now is a factor of the fear of disruption of supply, as opposed to actual disruptions which of course are real and pointed out elsewhere here. (Katrina, etc..).

And I agree about the insanity of current EPA regulations regarding additives, they should have stuck w/ CAFE standards and eliminated the SUV loophole back in the '80s and we would not be in this horrible situation right now. You can thank the greed and stupidity of the public, politicians and the auto industry for our current wonderful salad of a populace addicted to wasting oil and a foreign policy that guarantees record profits for the oil industry every time a new quarterly report comes out. I don't think that tree-hugging hippies figure much into the equation there, spanky, but then you always have had your own unique perspective on world events.

[Joe Bob]

Stand in line Mull.

MTBE.....it READILY mixes with water. What moron allowed that....oh yeah...the guy that MAKES it and sits on the Air Resources Board that approved it.....yeeaaah right.....

Two stroke motors with exhausts that are water muffled/cooled. The boats are allowed on drinking water lakes where "I" put a toe in contact I get a ticket.....but MTBE laden exhaust and cows can pee in it....

US EPA....it gets DIRECTION from the current administration and they are appointed by the President.....US EPA directives are the weakest set of rules. States either mirror the rules or go for MORE stringent rules.

The reason there are DIFFERENT types of fuels because the states AGREE that something stronger needs to be done but with the LACK of Federal direction or watered down regs....they do it themselves....the states just can't agree to do it the same way.

Typically, CA is the most stringent in pollution controls and the rest of the States follow their lead......don't know why they don't do so in gas formulas.....but I can guess....

[TerryH]

You can lay blame for high energy costs on dozens of other reasons, but don't forget one. Chevron/Texaco and Exxon/Mobil are breaking their own records for profits each and every reported quarter. They consistanly break world records for profits for ANY company that has ever existed. We aren't talking revenues, only profits.

Most companies have a choice between charging more and selling less or charging less and selling more. Unfortunately, the oil companies have it both ways.

Free enterprise works well when there's competition. Anyone here old enough to remember "gas wars"? With the mergers of huge oil companies, we will never see competition between them again to gain our business.

I'm not a political person, but the current issues in the Middle East and our president and family being an oil men, just add fuel to an expensive fire.

[widgeon13]

Check out this BS

I think most of us could live on this!!!


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Lee Raymond, the CEO of Exxon Mobil (XOM61.56, +0.10, +0.2% ) retired in December, received more than $686 million from 1993 to 2005, according to an analysis done for the paper by an independent compensation consultant.
Raymond received more that $400 million in the final year of his contract.
Shareholder activists, consumer groups and corporate governance experts were taken aback by the details of the package.
Raymond declines to comment for the report.
Charles Elson, director of the John L. Weinberg Center for Corporate Governance at the University of Delaware said Raymond received "entrepreneurial returns for managerial conduct."
"Exxon was there long before Mr. Raymond was there and will be there long after he leaves. Yet he received Rockefeller returns without taking the Rockefeller risk," Elson said. End of Story