Jeff, that's a whole other topic ;)

yes, and Jeff, in the exact same way that the people who buy her books are too stupid to see that she only says what says to make money.

Quite frankly, your comments are absurd.

Coulter was not allowed to speak because of continued disruption by a group of facsists who can't tolerate ideas they don't hold. The hecklers came to the Coulter talk of their own free will. No one FORCED them to go. If they don't like Coulter and her "hate speech", then THEY SHOULDN'T ATTEND THE TALK. Their purpose for attending and heckling was to prevent OTHERS from hearing ideas they don't like. That's fascism, a.k.a modern-day "liberalism".

No rational persons definition of free speech includes silencing the free speech of others. Cool Chick is a bright lady. I suspect she was just stirring the pot.

When I was a liberal college student in the 70's I saw the same thing on the nuclear power issue. The liberals, hippies, radicals, whatever you want to call them would loudly protest, throw pies,etc. at people who were on the stage trying to have an intelligent discussion about nuclear power. To them, being liberal was making sure no one else's voice or opinion was heard.

I Agree. So if she defends her position, we're both in agreement that she's not rational...

Mainstream media and liberal media don't:
Sell a personal-branded line of men's clothing using their show to market it

Hawk smoke-eating ashtrays, timeshares, sleepnumber beds, etc.

Churn out chotchke after chotchke to make a fast buck.

I didn't look very hard, but I couldn't find anything like the below on CNN.com.

http://shop.ecompanystore.com/foxnews/FOX_shop.asp

This is disgusting. the length and breadth of crap is incredible. :(

O'Reilly goes on and on about how "Happy Holidays" is a corruption, but what can you buy in the Fox News store? A Fox News Happy Holidays CHRISTMAS ornament.

I'm sorry, I have given you the wrong impression. On a business level, I applaud Anne. She's smart and knew exactly what she wanted to accomplish by the end of the night on UCONN. Please, look at her speech, of course it would rile the crowd and of course media would pick the story up.

I only criticize Anne in that I think it's sleazy, she contributes nothing to national dialogue on Politics and is one piece of the "divide the Country" puzzle for personal gain. That's my problem with Anne.

Business level: A+

Patriotism level: F

Remember Al Franken? Oh wait, you said "smart"

Anyone read "Rush Limbaugh is a big fat liar?" Can you believe someone actually published that? That's not fitting for toilet paper.

I could've done a better job with that book.

rjp

yes, Carville is just as sleazy.

LOL! :) I'd like to agree with you, but then here's a quote from the owner of Pure Girls boutique in Pleasanton.

“I could not be prouder of the response to the Doll Drive! The girls took such care and love selecting dolls and stuffed animals. Some even took the time to clean, style and dress the dolls, and others bought new dolls with their own money.”

Over-priced? I wish, I'd have an order for a GT3 ready in March. :)

I don't think so. I agree with her. Not so much the "reap what you sow" thing, although that's true too. What I notice glaringly is that free speech was alive and well on that occasion, for all parties. The students exercized theirs, and that is the problem?

Free speech does not guarantee manners or respect or even maturity, and it does not mean protection for someone's right to be heard by "x" number of people, or to get paid "x" number of dollars for speaking. Coulter was free to speak, and to collect her feel, and get her story in the newspaper, etc. The students were free to vocalize their reaction.

The problem some folks seem to have is I guess they believe the audience should have been less free to speak. Kinda conflicts with the title of the thread, wouldn't you say?

Do you honestly believe that the only people who have the right to speak are those who are loud enough to overcome a mob of hecklers? I can't believe you believe that--or maybe you really are from "that" side of unionism, where those with the biggest bats and axehandles prevail. :mad:

The event was billed as a lecture by Ann Coulter, NOT the student audience. This is more than rudeness, it is censorship and repression.

Imagine Republicans organizing a group that will attend every screening of Michael Moores next film and shout throughout the presentation. Is this merely rudeness? Of course not. The people who pay to see Michael Moores film have the same right to see the film as the students had to hear Coulter speak.

When the right decides to chill free speech it is usually done with batons, rubber bullets, tear gas and water canons. No wimpy pie attacks for them.

BTW, Anne's speech prolly wasn't free, I'm sure she got some $ for showing up.

Why is it that it is always only the liberals who "vocalize their reactions" in that way? Why is that such a one way street?

Maybe they are too busy out making money?

or maybe they are lazy? :)

Sympathy is something I have little need for.

Actions. It's all about actions. Anyone can say anything on this board. All of it, every single word, is meaningless. Judge a man by what he does, not what he says he will do, or wishes he could do.

And do you have an example of this EVER occuring on a college campus in the US when a leftist was speaking? Or is this just another example of baseless, hysterical, paranoid, leftist rhetoric?

That's too easy...Left vs. batons on campus? Sure....

Ole Miss 1962
UC Berkeley 1964
Kent State 1970

How about discrimination against the Right? Sure....
1980's & 1990's just about everywhere other than Dartmouth!

Quite frankly, it is your comments that are absurd. She was not withheld from doing anything. She CHOSE to stop. No one put duct tape on her mouth!

Actually, it appears your purpose is to prvent others from airing their opinions (e.g., heckling). Sorry bud, we're not in China.

Surely you can do better than 35+ years ago...
Slightly different circumstances if the "free speech" was
in the form of riots...

Quote:

How about discrimination against the Right? Sure.... 1980's & 1990's just about everywhere other than Dartmouth!

So in today's world we're in agreement that the threat to free speech comes from the left.

This thread is so full of hate it's shameful.

By all accounts of the event, the effect of the heckling/screaming/singing was to make continuing the speech impossible..., but you know that.

BTW, I guess you've answered the question of whether you're irrational or disenginouus. It's apparently the former.

Actually, we're not in agreement.

Kent State was a riot. Sit-ins and angry Southerners aren't peaceful, but it wasn't a riot, exaclty, as that usually means that the minority started it. It was a bit different.

If there are any, I think today's threats to free speech come from intolerant goofs on both sides, fueled mostly by cable TV and talk radio.

Didn't make the bullets and batons comment, and you didn't qualify your question to only be within living memory of those under 40.

Wish we could take T. Jefferson's advice and re-ratify the Constitution every generation.

I never consented to this government (Bush, Clinton, etc.). Much prefer a Prime Minister, actually, where the leadership enters only after a nationwide vote over party IDEAS, rather than the typical garbage about abortion, welfare, etc. - the tiny issues that apply to a very small percentage of the population.

The right likes Prime Ministers (like Churchill) and we put that kind of government in Japan (MacArthur).

The left seems to do OK under such a system as well.

Seems that our Federal system is flawed to me.

Ahh... I agree completely. We're not in agreement. :D

I don't think the right or left has it bad right now. The Right controls the White House, both Houses of Congress and will soon control the Supreme Court. Only a bunch of whining babies focusing on isolated incidents think times are tough.

The Left? They have movies and at least as much access to media as the right, even though they have lost almost all connection to government power. To hear them whine is equally noxious.

Sometimes it seems like a circus to make the masses fight - just like professional sports - just like the Roman Circuses.

This keeps the people away from the real power and wealth. Foolish to listen to Al Franken or Bill O'Reilly..... Real problems are much bigger...

Well, at least we can agree on one thing... We both apparently drive '87 Targas...:)

The Targas ARE good. ;)

But come on, we need some perspective here. In 5,000 years of recorded history, we now live in a time when someone might get booed?

In the past, heads were lost, lives were ruined, property was confiscated.

Now a millionaire author/commentator gets booed? And gets to write about it nationally? And gets to talk about it on the airwaves? Why all the angst?

This seems to be getting back to a Pre-9/11 level of idiocy - where Brittney Spears and politcal correctness and movie star trials were "news"

I thought we got past that? I thought after a 10 year hangover after the fall of Communism - a decade when we were free to contemplate the trivial - we were all shocked back on the same page 4 years ago. What the h*ll happened?

Has all radioactive material vanished? Is bioterrorism no longer a threat?

I know Democracy cannot focus on things for long. Even George Marshall thought we should use the Atomic bomb partially because we wouldn't be able to keep up the strain of fighting the Japanese - this in the war almost nobody disputes the rightness of.

But come on.... This belongs in People Magazine or Reader's Digest. Not in Foreign Affairs or the Pelican BBS.....
:(

The level many on the BBS seem to seek is a level like on the Simpsons when Marge got Itchy and Scratchy to stop fighting.

A little controversy is human. Too much, as in the past, is evil. But too little, and we all might as well be THX 1138.....

I think we're focussing to much on Coulter as if her treatment was some sort of abberation. I work at a University, and I can tell you that anyone to the right of the far left either isn't invited to speak at all, or if they are, they are usually shouted down by a gaggle of low-lifes. What's particularly galling about these people is that they are always going on and on about "tolerance" and "diversity", etc., but ONLY for people who share their opinions. I think it's a big problem for the society that Universities have become centers of indoctrination rather than centers for learning and the free exchange of ideas.

And, by the way, the students WERE RUDE.

But there is something American about that.

We don't want pompous aristocrats here in this country. It is fun to call Clinton a pig, and Bush a dope. And there is something healthy in that - something that keeps the American Revolution alive.

Once in awhile, the great, ill-mannered American massess need to teach the Coulters and Michael Moores a lesson in humilty.

Or maybe it's just Friday, and the snow is calf-deep, and my Targa is sleeping until spring.......

Still, Twain & Lincoln would see the humor in it, and the rough justice it carried, no matter what side of the aisle the pompous speaker hailed from........

Well, yes, it is a crime what goes on in a University these days. And it is both un-American and unfair how right-wingers are treated on campus today. But that's not new. Even back in my day, that was the case. I had a baby-boom professor who went on and on about how Truman was way too right wing (!!!) and was evil for deciding to drop the Atomic Bomb in, as she put it "two-minutes."

She paused, and tried to make that sink in, how horrible it was to decide to kill 100,000 people in 2 minutes. And the UC San Diego students around me went off to their lives thinking America was that much more evil, that much more wrong.

But that isn't the whole story, and her selections of facts continue to infuriate me 20 years later. There were dozens of men, hundreds of discussions, committees, thinkers, etc. 100,000 had already been killed at Dresden, at Tokyo. A decision 10 years in the making would have killed no fewer. The war was more brutal than I can imagine most days, though once in awhile a passage lets me see a glimpse....

So many reasons were there that she left out. And the alternative was, what? To kill 100,000 a few at a time? Without the context, her comments had no meaning, and left a false impression.

Didn't understand your context, so forgive me. Out in the corporate world, politics doesn't mean much in my industry. But on a campus, I feel for you, and apologize for my fellow citizens' cruelty....

What color is the beast? Tail or no tail?

BTW- I guess the reality is we're all human, and it is wrong that anyone be caused unecessary pain while trying to express themselves.

Last night, the snow here caused me a 3 hour commute, and I was pretty beat up and grumpy, and then a small boy my son's age was killed when a plane ran over his car in the middle of a Chicago street, so I pretty quickly was able to see how good things actually were in my life.

I guess my sympathy for a person in a position of leadership being booed off a stage was a bit low today. Please forgive me....guess I got a bit pompous myself....should've had a 3 martini lunch rather than a 5 minute powerbar break....

Car is Guards Red and tail-less.

32,100 miles on it today as it slumbers, and this BBS is responsible for convincing me to keep it a few weeks back when I began to weaken after driving a 996.....

How' bout yours?

Guards red and tailless too. Mine has 65K miles and I thought that was pretty low! I'm going to buy a decklid+Carrera tail just for fun and the option to switch now and again, although I think that the tailless look on targas is probably best.

Actually like the old ducktails best on Targas.....

Pics?

Car in happier weather - and on the shore of Lake Michigan, and in Hannibal, Missouri, home of Mark Twain.

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Jeez, that is gorgeous R. Really puts mine to shame.

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Car looks great. Like the air dam and the wheels.

Never really liked the black Fuchs, even when they were new. Silver looks better, IMHO. Black is too Knight Rider. Sooner or later, mine are going to Al Reed or someone to get the early 70's silver spoke look....

This one is easy.

It is because Liberals are smarter and better educated. They only do it for our own good, protect us from ourselves. Conservatives are a bunch of dumb hicks who are stupid enough to think you have to listen to someone politely before you respond to something they said that you disagree with.

Truth be told, Ms Coulter should still get her free speech thing, she is white, but she is not a man. Everyone knows that white conservative men don't deserve freedom of speech because everything they say is sexist, racist or much worse.