Fire 'Em All

legion · 12-20-2005, 07:26 AM

The law is very clear on this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051220/ap_on_re_us/nyc_transit_strike

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Cue misguided reinterpretation of the law...

RickM · RickM's Garage

...Fire 'Em All

I agree 100%

RallyJon · 12-20-2005, 07:47 AM

Never-even-mind that it's illegal, what are these spoiled bastards striking over? Retiring at 62 instead of 55? Having to *gasp* contribute towards their own healthcare and retirement? Wage increases that are twice the rate of inflation?

I guess we are going through a period where union workers are gradually and painfully exposed to the financial realities that the rest of America faces. Pity pity.

onewhippedpuppy · 12-20-2005, 07:54 AM

Greedy bastards, I agree, fire them all. How much talent does it take to drive a bus or subway train? Welcome to the real world.

Don Ro · 12-20-2005, 08:02 AM

Didn't President Reagan fire 11,000 air traffic controllers?
Just figure inflation re: these 33,000 union workers.
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Heard this morning that the lowest paid receive $44k - $50k starting pay ($21 - $24/hr.) - w/o overtime.
Fire 'em, I say.
I don't like the chances of that, however, in this castrated society.

VINMAN · 12-20-2005, 08:11 AM

Even as a fellow union worker, I find it hard to have that much sympathy for them. The TWU is looking for a 30% raise over the next three yrs. You gotta be kidding me!! retirement at 55?? **** the rest of us have to wait till 65. By time i get up there it will probably be 75.
Last week, my company took away all pension benefits for its mid to lower level management employees! Guys with 20-30 something yrs, are left holding their d**ks. Meanwhile we just posted our highest grossing quarter ever.
Honestly the only thing i do feel bad is the fact that city workers ( firemen, cops) are stiffed by the Taylor Law, which basically takes away any bargaining power.

Btw, starting pay for a NYC cop or Fireman is only $26,000.

Rodeo · 12-20-2005, 08:12 AM

They violate the law, they should pay the consequenses. The same goes for our president (which is what I thought this thread was about).

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

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Originally posted by Rodeo
They violate the law, they should pay the consequenses. The same goes for our president (which is what I thought this thread was about).

Are you capable of posting anything that does not have a negative comment on our current administration?

Fire them all, no unemployment payments, Merry Christmas

chibone_914 · 12-20-2005, 08:29 AM

Get a rope............

arcsine · 12-20-2005, 08:29 AM

Goodbye, thank you and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

yellowline · 12-20-2005, 08:33 AM

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Originally posted by VINMAN

Btw, starting pay for a NYC cop or Fireman is only $26,000.

Now those are people who should be asking for a raise. And getting it, firefighters especially.

Forget this bunch of crybabies. Just because the MTA has a $1b surplus doesn't mean you need to get your paws on it. It's a prime example of union corruption.

I'll operate a subway train for $20/hour, no questions asked.

ken_xman · 12-20-2005, 08:54 AM

I think they are trying to get the same pension benefits for new hires... as the rest of the workers enjoy now. Bloomberg wants to remove the pension.

Rodeo · 12-20-2005, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by Tobra
Are you capable of posting anything that does not have a negative comment on our current administration?

Fire them all, no unemployment payments, Merry Christmas

Yea, actualy I am.

But I happen to think it's interesting that the same group calling for "Merry Christmas" firings because the Union broke the law want to give a free pass to Bush, who also broke the law.

Why does that bother you? Do you think these lawbreakers should be treated differently than the Bush lawbreakers?

lendaddy · 12-20-2005, 09:03 AM

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Originally posted by VINMAN

Btw, starting pay for a NYC cop or Fireman is only $26,000.

I am skeptical of this. Do you have a source? Are you a Fireman/Officer? Not saying you're lying, just skeptical.

Superman · 12-20-2005, 09:07 AM

You guys are brilliant social architects. Great idea. In fact, let's remove the collective bargaining rights of all Americans and get rid of unions completely. Let the employers dictate wages, benefits and working conditions. Think of the societal joy.

lendaddy · 12-20-2005, 09:12 AM

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Originally posted by Superman
You guys are brilliant social architects. Great idea. In fact, let's remove the collective bargaining rights of all Americans and get rid of unions completely. Let the employers dictate wages, benefits and working conditions. Think of the societal joy.

Collective bargaining is at work here Sup, what's the problem? They make a collective demand and it is denied. They strike and they are collectively fired. That IS collective bargaining. Or do you want collective ransom holding?

Doyou think they'll have trouble finding replacements for these guys with their old contract conditions? Or the 10% pay increase they were offered and denied?

legion · 12-20-2005, 09:15 AM

Man...it took Supe long enough.

cashflyer · 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by Don Ro
Didn't President Reagan fire 11,000 air traffic controllers? ...

Air Traffic Controllers are Federal employees, and as such are prohibited from striking under a 1955 law.

I don't think NY transit workers are Federal... probably state.
Maybe there's something in those 700 pages of the Patriot Act...

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Let there be no doubt in anyone's mind: it's no accident that the prime target of the terrorist attack was both the symbolic and actual center of the financial economy of the United States. As citizens, employees, and managers we can't be naïve. Realize that no terrorists group is strong enough to hurt us militarily. They wouldn't even try. The terrorists specifically targeted the New York area, not just with the goal of destroying buildings, but with a much more dastardly objective: to disrupt our economy and financial markets.

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Originally posted by Superman
You guys are brilliant social architects. Great idea. In fact, let's remove the collective bargaining rights of all Americans and get rid of unions completely. Let the employers dictate wages, benefits and working conditions. Think of the societal joy.

Unlike when unions first formed, there are now agencies and laws that regulate working conditions and safety. That is no longer the domain of the union. Unions now exist solely for the monetary gain of themselves and their members.
No employee needs a union to enable him to ask for a raise. He only needs a union if his intent is to strongarm the employer into giving that raise.

VINMAN · 10:10 AM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
I am skeptical of this. Do you have a source? Are you a Fireman/Officer? Not saying you're lying, just skeptical.

http://www.nypd2.org/html/recruit/salary.html

The Transit workers are NY State Employees. My father was a transit worker for 26 yrs

TimT · 12-20-2005, 10:41 AM

Actually the TWU members were trying to get the retirement age reduced to 50 years of age . MTA wanted to increase the retirement age from 55 to 62 years old. TWU workers retire with a pension equal to half their salary.

MTA also wants TWU members to contribute 1% of salaries to cover healthcare

bunch of friggin crybabies

oh and the union wants "respect"