Liberals are very dangerous people...

[aways]

They pretend to be against the Patriot Act because of civil liberties concerns, when it fact their opposition has much more to do with their hatred of George Bush and their indifference to Al Queda... However, they have no qualms about invading the privacy of people's homes when it suits their agenda...

"Anti-smoking activists who are driving cigarettes from public places across the country are now targeting private homes -- especially those with children."
http://washingtontimes.com/metro/20051215-112826-9119r.htm

[widebody911]

Originally posted by aways
However, they have no qualms about invading the privacy of people's homes when it suits their agenda...[/i]

According to Conservatives, there's no such thing as a right to privacy.

So, the Patriot Act, which allows the government to "disappear" citizens, hold them incommunicado, render them to foreign countries for torture, deny them anything that even resembles probable cause, a warrant or legal representation, much less a trial, is a Good Thing; but keeping kids away from chain-smoking foster parents is the Holocaust Reprise?

[Joe Bob]

What a fuchin' idiot.....when ya disappear...we'll miss ya....maybe....please take Mull with ya....

[aways]

Originally posted by widebody911
According to Conservatives, there's no such thing as a right to privacy.

So, the Patriot Act, which allows the government to "disappear" citizens, hold them incommunicado, render them to foreign countries for torture, deny them anything that even resembles probable cause, a warrant or legal representation, much less a trial, is a Good Thing; but keeping kids away from chain-smoking foster parents is the Holocaust Reprise?

Yea, it'd be great if we could "disappear" the entire Bay Area...

So, having the government monitoring how many cigarettes you smoke is OK with todays "liberals"? What's next, keeping track of how many calories you consume, and how many french fries you let your kids eat? Since the government will be paying for your health care, they have a right to control your diet too, right?

[aways]

Originally posted by mikez
What a fuchin' idiot.....when ya disappear...we'll miss ya....maybe....please take Mull with ya....

Which one are you, the little yellow F'er or the sheep?

[CRH911S]

Liberals are very dangerous people...

You need to check your facts. A republican senator, Lisa Murkowski, is leading the charge to put an end to the PA as we know it. I know, blame GW.

[aways]

Originally posted by CRH911S
You need to check your facts. A republican senator, Lisa Murkowski, is leading the charge to put an end to the PA as we know it. I know, blame GW.

Oh, I see, so if it wasn't for Murkowski leading the charge, the PA would sail through the Senate with Democrat support....

[Joe Bob]

The sheep is either yer momma or yer daddy....

[Jared at Pelican Parts]

dangerous people?

You mean like evangelical christians, right?

[aways]

Originally posted by mikez
The sheep is either yer momma or yer daddy....

You wish, but alas, it's your sister again...

Oh, and BTW, thanks for stopping by this thread and providing your insightful commentary on the original topic...

[Shuie]

Originally posted by widebody911
According to Conservatives, there's no such thing as a right to privacy.

'Conservative','Liberal','Democrat','Republican', etc. There isn't a nickels worth of difference between most of the people that get associated with these labels on this forum every other minute or so.

I don't do the cut and past thing so click this link and read if you think its just the Conservative party thats out to get you.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1996_hr/s960912-r.htm

Search for 'wiretap' in that article and scroll up and read the dialog from Janet Reno in '96 about WMD's, roving wiretaps, and how our pesky civil liberties put too many constraints on the governments ability to protect us. That's from 1996. I remember a bill proposing the roving wiretaps being struck down in the Senate about the same time. Maybe somebody else can find that one.

So, what are you Liberals upset about? Your beloved Clinton Administration basically wrote the first draft of the Patriot Act and failed to make it a reality. This President has succeeded in instituting a failed Clinton policy and you still are not happy

[nostatic]

Originally posted by aways
They pretend to be against the Patriot Act because of civil liberties concerns, when it fact their opposition has much more to do with their hatred of George Bush and their indifference to Al Queda... However, they have no qualms about invading the privacy of people's homes when it suits their agenda...

"Anti-smoking activists who are driving cigarettes from public places across the country are now targeting private homes -- especially those with children."
http://washingtontimes.com/metro/20051215-112826-9119r.htm

So the conservatives are all fired up and worried about the health of unborn babies, but don't give a rat's arse about the kid once they are born?

That's what this issue is about...not about "private homes" but about protecting children from stupid/dangerous/questionable parental behavior.

[aways]

Originally posted by nostatic

That's what this issue is about...not about "private homes" but about protecting children from stupid/dangerous/questionable parental behavior.

I don't smoke, but I'm not fanatical enough to believe that those who do deserve to have their children taken away... Obviously you do, and that's why you're a textbook example of why liberals are dangerous people...

Who's gonna decide what's "stupid/dangerous/questionable parental behavior" in your "liberal" society?

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by aways
Who's gonna decide what's "stupid/dangerous/questionable parental behavior" in your "liberal" society?

A far left socialist career bureaucrat, naturally...Just doing their part to make reality of Stalin's wet dream.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by aways
I don't smoke, but I'm not fanatical enough to believe that those who do deserve to have their children taken away... Obviously you do, and that's why you're a textbook example of why liberals are dangerous people...

Who's gonna decide what's "stupid/dangerous/questionable parental behavior" in your "liberal" society?

I never said they should be taken away (you assumed that). I'm merely pointing out the hyperbole in your original post...

As far as deciding...that's what laws are for. We have determined lots of things are "stupid/dangerous/questionable". Kids cannot stand up for themselves. And sometimes parents are too lazy/stupid/messed up to do the best thing for their child.

Is it ok to hit a kid? How many times before it becomes child abuse? Is it ok to use drugs in front of them? Is it ok to smoke around them? Is it ok to curse? How about raising them as satanists? White supremecists?

All questions that could be on the table...

[Porschekid962]

Wow, political discussion really brings out the best in adults.

The other week walking home from school, 4 miles give or take a click I began notiging security cameras all over the place. On lightposts, stoplight towers, rooftops and so on. The ones on top of lightposts and stoplight towers really had me interested, "what the hell are those for?"

Who put those up and why are they there?

Why does my internet activity get flagged whenever I search for something like bomb, gun, 9/11 so on and so forth, isnt that invading? Same with phone conversations, o'er the land of the free baby!

Ok, I'll resign now and let you grownups have your fun.

[Tobra]

Originally posted by aways
Yea, it'd be great if we could "disappear" the entire Bay Area...

So, having the government monitoring how many cigarettes you smoke is OK with todays "liberals"? What's next, keeping track of how many calories you consume, and how many french fries you let your kids eat? Since the government will be paying for your health care, they have a right to control your diet too, right?

yeah, neutron bomb. I actually have had people get really angry when I suggested that if the government was going to cover all your healthcare expenses, you had a responsibiity to take care of yourself. Even the suggestion that you voluntarily modify your behavior is repugnant, so how could you ever get that to fly, even in San Francisco.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Porschekid962
...

Why does my internet activity get flagged whenever I search for something like bomb, gun, 9/11 so on and so forth, isnt that invading? Same with phone conversations, o'er the land of the free baby!
..

Why would that make you any less free? If you are not posting evil intent....why would you care?

[nostatic]

Originally posted by fintstone
Why would that make you any less free? If you are not posting evil intent....why would you care?

paging Mul....care to comment on this?

[aways]

Originally posted by nostatic

Is it ok to hit a kid? How many times before it becomes child abuse? Is it ok to use drugs in front of them? Is it ok to smoke around them? Is it ok to curse? How about raising them as satanists? White supremecists?

All questions that could be on the table...

Why stop there? Why not "raising them as Christians, drinking in front of them? allowing them to eat more than two servings of ice cream per week, lest they become obese? voicing 'hate speech' in front of them, such as opposition to gay marriage" or affirmative action?"

There will always be good parents and bad parents, but too much power in the hands of the government to intrude into people's private lives will always lead to a totalitarian state. I'd rather err on the side of parental discretion, except in the case of clear criminal activity (e.g. beatings, drugs), rather than have kids raised by a coercive state run by people who want to impose via law their values on others.

P.S. When smoking around kids has become one of the topics "on the table", it's pretty clear that we've already gone far too far down the wrong road...