Pretty solid with the Sig tonight
 

Just went through rounds 500-700 in my Sig 226R. Starting to calm down a bit and get some consistancy.

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Nice grouping, but you seem to be a little high and left...

Big time. I am still anticipating the recoil a bit.

Nice! At how many feet/yards?

Total guess on this one... Seems like you are right handed, shooting with two hands and possibly tilting the gun to the left a degree or two - causing the high/left grouping. Anyway, you are a very good shot none the less!

Dave

About 25 feet.

Right handed shooting with 2 hands. Not sure about the tilt, but I will watch it next time.

Nice work!

You're shooting consistently in the same place, which is great.

On the "shooting high", you may simply need to adjust how you "hold". With some handguns you hold at 6 o'clock (place front sight "under" the target), with some you hold right on (place front sight "covering" the target). If you are holding on the target, try holding at 6 o'clock. I prefer 6 o'clock holds since I like leaving the target unobscured.

On the "shooting left", try using the pad of your finger on the trigger and pulling straight back (sometimes people use the joint of their finger and squeeze, thus inadvertently shifting the gun to the left). Try dry firing to see if you are shifting the gun, or flinching. If you can't find any reason why you are shooting left, maybe you should benchrest it to judge whether the sights need adjusting - but sight adjustment should be a last resort.

I've got to try a SIG someday. Everyone seems to like them.

Sig good.

john with the holiday winding down, we should arrange that pelican range meet. you can shoot my sig as much as you want. i am trying to convince one of my co-woorker to coach me. he can draw pictures with his sig. strangley enough he has a wandering eye. neither eye ever looks in the same direction. harddrive you shoot great. centermass!

nice, my buddy is a fed, and when he did his recurrent weapons training he kept the paper target. He could cover his group at 100ft with the palm of his hand, one high and left, 29 that would have all hit a silver dollar, he has some freaky 20-10 vision

That's pretty phenomenal shooting from a service weapon, no matter what your eyesight is...

Sorry, that was a bit misleading, that was with an M-16 on semi, unloading the clip in under a minute. He says it is a really easy gun to shoot accurately.

Oh yeah, talked to him and it was 100 yards, glad he would be the one to stop any escape attempts on the Con Air run

:)

That is some excellent shooting! As far as the eyesight goes, it does not have to be all that great. You have to remember to focus on the front sight and keep it crystal clear while the target is somewhat fuzzy. When squeezing the trigger, the action should be smooth with no anticipation.

That above target is outstanding shooting!

David

David,

As hard as it was beaten into our heads, I'm sure you remember "Sight Alignment, Sight Picture." And don't forget your B.R.A.S.S., or Natural Point Of Aim. If there is one thing Marines can do, that would be SHOOTING! :D

Randy

I had a Beretta 92FS that shot better than that when I concentrated. I traded the damn thing off! I loved the single action trigger on it. Just sucked that you couldn't go condition 1 with it.

Now my groups with my CZ75B look like that at 7 yards (21 feet). And I can carry condition 1. I almost never use the double action trigger on it. The CZ's single action is a little funky... if you watch the hammer closely, it actually moves a hair back before the sear breaks. It's still a nice trigger.

This all reminds me, I picked up a new magazine I need to go put some rounds through to test it! Maybe when I get Stinky running, I'll have time on the weekend to go drop a couple hundred through her.

"I could put a round through a flea's ********* at 1000 yards."

I forgot where I heard that... but always thought it was funny.

Nice shooting HD.

Here's a decent one from my SIG Pro 2340 in .357. This was 12 rds. at 25 ft.

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And this is from my P220 (.45) at 20 ft. This was 15 rounds. I love the clean hole semi-wadcutters make.



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ok...i'm ready for lessons

One of the best practice methods is to mix in a dummy round or two with your live ammo and not watch your hands when you load the magazine. Then you don't know when the dummy round comes up. You'd be amazed how much you flinch when you squeeze (not pull) the trigger and nothing happens. You don't notice it when a live round goes off and the recoil and flash startle you. I had my tiny Chinese gf shoot my .44 mag and then she shot a Ruger .22 auto. You should have seen her flinch, expecting that .22 to kick like the .44. I've eliminated most of my flinch over years of practice and with crisper triggers on my guns. But the dummy rounds are great teachers.

Post that outside your teenage daughters bedroom door for any unsuspecting boyz.

I posted a similar target in my cubicle when I worked at the Rep. Nat. Comm. about 8 yrs. ago. When the new chairman, Jim Nicholson (now Sec. of Vet. Aff.) came by to meet everyone, he took a look at the target and complimented me on my shooting. My last day on the job, a co-worker baked me a cake and painted an orange silhouette target in icing with REAL .357 rounds stuck in it. Ha ha. I need to find that photo, scan it and post it here.

pic of the Sig please. Christmas is only 359 days away now...

Two toned is my P220. Finger groove grips on the P229 and the other is my polymer 2340, both in .357.

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someone say sig?
http://nostatic.com/images/sigs.jpg

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I will. Working on sighting now...

Yes, but at an indoor range or after it stops raining. I just came back from a cold and wet afternoon at the Richmond range. Soggy targets blowing off the backing, squelching through the mud downrange, and all that.

I was trying to find out what loads the Combat Master likes. So far it likes (1) Winchester 185 gr Silvertip JHP, (2) Sellier & Beloit 230 gr FMJ, (3) Winchester white box 230 gr FMJ, and (4) some random 230 gr FMJ reloads I bought at another range. "Likes" means zero malfunctions. It hates (5) lead 200 gr SWC (combined FTE/FTF once per magazine, I gave the rest of the box away), and surprisingly doesn't really like (6) Fiocchi 230 gr FMJ. I need to learn its tastes before mail-ordering ammo in bulk, and I need to buy bulk ammo or I won't be able to afford this gun. I also need to get the gun sighted-in, it is shooting way low. Definitely not a target gun, but I knew that.

I shot a guy's SigPro 9mm. I didn't really like the trigger (long take-up) but it was accurate for me, pretty much kept inside the 9 ring. Also his S&W revolver in .45 ACP. Very sweet, 10-rings were the rule, even shooting DA. This is at 25 yd with the wind blowing me around.

Here's mine...
 

Here's what I took to the range today...

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I'm going to buy a Sig 239 as soon as I can find one locally...

I went to the range yesterday as well, and it was Good other than a stovepipe jam in my P232SL (the first ever issue w/ that gun!)

This was by far my best result from the day, shooting my Ruger MKII at 25ft with cheapie bulk Federal .22LR ammo...I guess I am slowly improving (slowly is the operative word, for sure). :cool:

This was 20 shots on a 3 5/8" target.

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It's all a state of mind. Here's a link to a good gun control (the good kind) web site. I occassionally read through it to remind myself how to "do it" and better explains what I've been trying to say in past posts. It also highlights Jeff Higgin's "natural position" and the dry fire advice.

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Hardrive-pretty solid shooting indeed!

Bob,
Thanks for the good shooting info, nice graphic and link. That should help me!

Re: Here's mine...
 

Geez, if your guns get persian rugs, you must spoil the hell out of the wife :)

That "Persian rug" is actually my mousepad...

Gratuitous pics of the Combat Master:

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This 1911 has a 3 1/2" barrel and holds 6 in the magazine. It is not as dinky-small a gun as you might think - I can just about get all fingers on the grip, and I have average to largish hands. If I had someone relieve the underside of the trigger guard a little, it would be a full-fingered grip for me.

The "through the sights" picture is with the actual notched blade removed from the rear sight base, and just looking through the U-shaped sight base itself. The stock rear sight blade's notch is the same width (Edit: .39cm) as the front sight, which may be good for precision shooting but makes it slower to line up the sights. This isn't a precision shooting gun anyway. I'm going to try shooting with just the rear sight base, which is about 2X as wide as the front sight, and if I like it I'll leave it as is, or make a new blade with a wider notch.

Very much like my stainless Officers 45.

The recoil on this gun must be pretty substantial, yes?

No, the recoil is only slightly more than my Glock 19 (compact 9mm) and the full-size 1911s I've tried (6" barrel, .45 cal). And only slightly more than a SIG Pro 9mm I recently tried. The Combat Master is fairly heavy, being all steel, and I can grip it high (no grip safety, no beavertail). I usually have my right thumb riding on top of the safety and my left thumb against the leading edge of the slide stop.