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TerryBPP 01-03-2006 05:13 AM

Project evil e30: Up and running!!
 
Finally figured out why massive amounts of oil comming out of the exhaust side of the turbo.I was using the oil inlet as the outlet and vise versa, yep Im a jackass....I was advised wrong:rolleyes:.

So she idling great and boosting at around 8 psi. Actually alot quicker than I imagined. Now that I actually created a running turbo car (first timer SmileWavy), I decided to reroute the intercooler to front mount and redo the oil return line (had a slight dip in it). So she is comming back apart.

Next up is a nice paint job (which color?), some R compounds, and euro bumpers.


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BlueSkyJaunte 01-03-2006 07:12 AM

I'm voting for 2002 Turbo colors, but I'm a weirdo.

http://www.bmw2002.co.uk/turbolineupbavaria2002.jpg

MotoSook 01-03-2006 07:16 AM

Cool Terry!

I just hauled the 325e I bought recently to the house last night. It's my Rat Rod project designed to piss off people who think they are fast...my sleeper track hunter... LOL!

Your paint? I say a matte black. That's what I'm going for :D

wludavid 01-03-2006 07:30 AM

Paint it pink. :D

techweenie 01-03-2006 07:33 AM

Souk is right. If it's 'evil' then you're already partway there with the color on the front fender. Paint the rest of the car satin black.

cowtown 01-03-2006 07:41 AM

Sleeper!

Where did you get all your silicone hose?

RallyJon 01-03-2006 07:43 AM

John Deere Blitz Black. For an evil car there is no alternative. :D

cstreit 01-03-2006 08:02 AM

Get the local airbrush guy to then overlay the paint with panels and rivets. :D

TerryBPP 01-03-2006 08:08 AM

Got all the bends and piping here:

http://www.atpturbo.com/

I have been pondering the satin black.

Souk, actually the 2.7 e motor is a great start for a stroker. Just get a "i" head. It bolts right on. Been done a million times.

wludavid 01-03-2006 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TerryBPP
Souk, actually the 2.7 e motor is a great start for a stroker. Just get a "i" head. It bolts right on. Been done a million times.
I don't have firsthand knowledge either way, but the community of e30 folks I know seem to think because of the doming of the eta-engine pistons and the relative flatness of the eye-engine head, this doesn't work as well as it seems at first glance.

MotoSook 01-03-2006 08:20 AM

Terry, I'm with you brother! We have a dealer account with Ireland Eng. for the cool parts...if I decide not to go with the turbo 2.7 w/ "i" heads :D

wludavid: the "i" heads on the eta 2.7 will decrease compression ratio to about 8:1, perfect for a turbo project.

TerryBPP 01-03-2006 08:22 AM

The few articles I read about the I head conversion used the euro 323i head not the 325i. Didnt seem to have clearence issuses but who knows. I haven't seen it done either. Check

www.r3vlimited.com

There are some threads regarding the swap. But expect to deal with a ton of smartasss 18 yr old punks, lol.

Paint wise I have also been considering Gulf Blue.....hmmmm

wludavid 01-03-2006 08:23 AM

e30tech.com is the most grown-up of the e30 forums. I can't stand R3V. blech.

TerryBPP 01-03-2006 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Souk
Terry, I'm with you brother! We have a dealer account with Ireland Eng. for the cool parts...if I decide not to go with the turbo 2.7 w/ "i" heads :D

wludavid: the "i" heads on the eta 2.7 will decrease compression ratio to about 8:1, perfect for a turbo project.

Ireland is where I got my Stage 3 Race springs and stud kit. Seem like good quality at a cheaper price than H&R. Combine that with the Bilstien Sports and this beater will take some turns!

MotoSook 01-03-2006 10:09 AM

The main reason for me getting the 325 was to build a low bucks racer. Plus if I wad it up on the track, I can walk away w/o thinking I just lost 20K more like 2K :D

Yep..there are lots of low cost options out there. With our accounts we can prep an E30 for less than it would cost for wheels on my 911's. I'll still be driving and having fun with the 911s, but the 325 will be the balls to the wall runner...if itsa blowed up whosa cares...just go get another one and put the goodies on it. :D

TerryBPP 01-03-2006 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Souk
The main reason for me getting the 325 was to build a low bucks racer. Plus if I wad it up on the track, I can walk away w/o thinking I just lost 20K more like 2K :D

Yep..there are lots of low cost options out there. With our accounts we can prep an E30 for less than it would cost for wheels on my 911's. I'll still be driving and having fun with the 911s, but the 325 will be the balls to the wall runner...if itsa blowed up whosa cares...just go get another one and put the goodies on it. :D

The cheap replacement value is why I love this car. Motors are $500, shells are $700, race parts are %25 cheaper than p-car stuff. I cut into this car without batting an eyelash. And if I blew it up tomorrow I could care less.

lendaddy 01-03-2006 11:17 AM

Cool,

My brother has a '92 318is and was considering the same thing.. That is until it tossed its timing belt three days ago which I believe means motor-mash:( Need parts???:)

TerryBPP 01-03-2006 11:33 AM

Thats the beauty of the m10 4cyl. Timing chain, no belt.

wludavid 01-03-2006 11:36 AM

The M42 didn't have a belt either. AFAIK, only the m20 was cursed with such a terrible design flaw. Maybe the chain tensioner went bad?

lendaddy 01-03-2006 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TerryBPP
Thats the beauty of the m10 4cyl. Timing chain, no belt.
I guess he tossed the chain then, it definitely let loose.

TerryBPP 01-03-2006 11:38 AM

I think the 92' is a m42. It has a belt and very prone to letting go.

cowtown 01-03-2006 01:39 PM

How is the transmission on these cars? Up to the power?

TerryBPP 01-04-2006 03:39 AM

From what I have seen there are guys put 300 hp to the wheels with the stock tranny. Upgrade the clucth to a 6 puck and a nice light flywheel and your golden.

I doubt if the big hp guys are doing too many 1/4 runs though.

onewhippedpuppy 01-04-2006 03:50 AM

Budget sleeper, I love it. Just make sure you leave the 318 badge on it when you're done. E30s are an absolute bargain for what you get, I dream of getting one and swapping an S50 or S52 into it. Terry's turbo kit is cheaper, but you could still do it for under $10k easily.

I know a guy in Houston that has an '89 325is he's selling, it's his track and toy car, but he can beat the E46 M3s that are in his class. In a car that he's selling for $6500! What a blast.

TerryBPP 01-04-2006 05:26 AM

You dont wanna know how little money I have in this thing so far. Imagine 190hp at the crank in a car that weighs 2200 lbs for under $3000 (including the price of the car!).

The biggest cost was the suspension. I did Ireland race springs w/ bilstiens, new aluminum a-arms, and all new urethane bushings. I wish I had gone with koni coil overs but thats before I decided I was building it for auto-x.

I started rerouting the intercooler to front mount last night. Gonna be alot more bends a much cleaner look and better air flow.

I also want to run multiple vaccum lines directly from the intake manifold so I can get a stronger, more accurate source. I would like to tap the top of the intake like this guy did. Anyone know where I can pick up those little taps and 90's?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1136384795.jpg

lendaddy 01-04-2006 05:33 AM

Those are just air fittings, mcmaster.com

TerryBPP 01-04-2006 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by lendaddy
Those are just air fittings, mcmaster.com
Perrrrrfect.

lendaddy 01-04-2006 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TerryBPP
Perrrrrfect.
Terry,

Those fittings are designed for pressure not vacuum, I'm not saying they won't hold a vacuum as I have no idea, I'm just saying that's not what they are for.

LeRoux Strydom 01-05-2006 01:01 AM

fittings that hold pressure will also hold vacuum - the pressure is just on the "other" side.

MotoSook 01-06-2006 09:22 PM

I don't want to hijack Terry's thread, but one more E30 is up and running! A part that costs less than $1.00 has caused the last two owners of my E30 to throw in the towel...so after more than a year (maybe even longer) my E30 is back to life! IT'S ALIVEEE!

Here is the thread on the fix...a $0.99 set screw :) (which I actually had in my fastener selection. So it was probably less than $0.99)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/259058-more-electron-warfare-motronic-ignition.html?highlight=souk

Jared at Pelican Parts 01-06-2006 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TerryBPP
Got all the bends and piping here:

http://www.atpturbo.com/

I have been pondering the satin black.

Souk, actually the 2.7 e motor is a great start for a stroker. Just get a "i" head. It bolts right on. Been done a million times.

if i remember correctly, the e block and i heads reduces compression, more boost anyone? I've caught the turbo bug as well, bought a Saab 900 turbo, already ditched the stock wastegate, pressure controller and blow off valve. Amazig how fast it is for only a 2.0L 4 cylinder

Thats some impressive work there, Terry.

Jared at Pelican Parts 01-06-2006 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TerryBPP


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mother of god....

dd74 01-06-2006 09:47 PM

Right on, Terry. That's sweet! As for paint, I'd leave it Mad Max black as is, or go with Blue's suggestion of the 2002 Turbo livery.

Speaking of which - anyone have any info or stats on the 2002 Turbo?

Hmmm...E30s. How much $$ do they run these days?

MotoSook 01-06-2006 10:01 PM

David, if you are looking for a car to turn into a track car...you can get a running car for about $1000, add another $600-$1000 for suspension parts and you are set. In Cali there are probably too many to choose from...unlike the rusted selection we have in the Midwest :(

Edit: I don't know whose car this is but I see a familar name on it...and it looks pretty cool.

http://www.e30tech.com/pictures/nov04/021.jpg

lendaddy 01-07-2006 06:01 AM

I just thought I would update on my brothers. It's a '91, so it is the M10 engine. We'll pull the head soon to see what happened, but it appears we did toss the untossable timing chain:)

wludavid 01-07-2006 11:10 AM

Souk: a trackworthy e30 for under $2000 is a tad optimistic. The $1000 cars out there have other things that will need to be fixed before being put on the track. Decent examples of i-powered cars are looking more like $2500, then at least $800 for new springs/dampers and freshened mounts and hardware. $3000 for a trackable e30 is about the lowest I would expect, and even then it wouldn't be fully sorted.

These cars are a bargain for the fun-ness, but they ain't that cheap! :)

lendaddy: 2-cam 4-cyls were the M42 ('91 '95 in this country) and 1-cam 4cyls were the m10 (late 60s - 1985 I think in this country). Your bro has the M42, which is a very cool motor. If he has a car with sport seats and an LSD, that car is highly sought after. Even with a bad head, it should command some decent money if he chooses to sell it.

Terry: I still say paint it pink! ;)

wludavid 01-07-2006 11:16 AM

My beast:

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8...80520892dn.jpg

onewhippedpuppy 01-07-2006 03:22 PM

I've seen decent daily driver quality E30 318s on bimmerforums for $2500, and similar 325s for $3000 and up. Pretty damn cheap, what else could you get for $3k that is that cool?

MotoSook 01-07-2006 08:48 PM

David, your are right...I tend to value things low LOL! And it's in the lowest 1/3 that I usually reference (e.g. I got my 325e for $100.00! I plan to put about 1500 into it before I'm done. Then it's off to the track! :D)

Even at the prices Matt stated, I think they are cheap...so yep the are cheap and cool. I could sell one of my 911 engines and finance a car and a whole season of Spec E30 racing LOL!

Jared at Pelican Parts 01-07-2006 09:00 PM

the M10 is a great engine but underpowered, very reliable (318i, 2002, 320i)

the M20B27 is again, very reliable but underpowered (325e)

the M20B25 (325i/is) is reliable and makes a nice amount of power just stock (170hp), add a set of headers, no cat, magnaflow, Conforti software, head work and a Shrick cam, and you will easily be pushing close to 220HP for around $2000 or so. I built one. Had no trouble keeping up with the SoCal canyon guys.

You can get either acceleration or top speed in less than an hour by swapping diffs. the 4.10 is nice, but you top out very quick. The low geared ones for the auto "e" cars are great for top end, but slow off the line. the "is" diffs 3.73 are pretty good for all around. You could also source a 320is diff 3.91, but I believe you have to modify the mounting ear.


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