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cool_chick 01-06-2006 05:41 PM

I don't know about the former, but I sure do like the latter!

cool_chick 01-06-2006 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
And where did I say that I thought that is how "millions" are?

You are the one that bristled at the idea that black Republicans are denigrated by Black Democrats. Seems to me you have the position to defend, not me.

I have. It's an isolated incident. To generalize, even still perpetuating in the above statement, is seriously flawed.

Nathans_Dad 01-06-2006 06:33 PM

I swear, talking to you is like talking to a wall. First it is a single person, then a "few" people, now a "isolated incident" (that is until I take the time and effort to point out another "isolated incident" or two to you), then will it just be a "few isolated incidents"??

lendaddy 01-06-2006 06:37 PM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
I swear, talking to you is like talking to a wall.
If you figure out whether she does it on purpose or not let me know.

cool_chick 01-06-2006 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
I swear, talking to you is like talking to a wall. First it is a single person, then a "few" people, now a "isolated incident" (that is until I take the time and effort to point out another "isolated incident" or two to you), then will it just be a "few isolated incidents"??

Tell me this....

do you honestly, honestly think even most democrats are like that? One or two isolated incidents to you means democrats are like that?

c'mon....don't be stupid.....

Or if you are that stupid, I don't know what to say about you......you're entitled to think whatever you want, as erroneous and illogical as it is....

cool_chick 01-06-2006 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
If you figure out whether she does it on purpose or not let me know.
When you decide to give up your trolling ways, let the forum know, as it'll be a welcome change....

lendaddy 01-06-2006 06:44 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
When you decide to give up your trolling ways, let the forum know, as it'll be a welcome change....
Is this a clue?

cool_chick 01-06-2006 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by lendaddy
Is this a clue?
It's a fact.

lendaddy 01-06-2006 06:47 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
It's a fact.
See, there you go again:)

Nathans_Dad 01-06-2006 08:57 PM

Oh Sweet Lordy, where in God's green earth did I EVER say I thought ALL DEMOCRATS WERE LIKE THAT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Great Googly Moogly, do you ever read the posts before typing? I was repsonding to YOUR assertion that Black Democrats do not denigrate Black Republicans. I never said and have never said I think ALL Democrats think that way.

I'm going to bed...

tabs 01-06-2006 10:50 PM

Cool has a knack for throwing guys into a dither...

She doesn't really consciencily know how to do it. she isn't aware of how the mechanism works, nor does she care. She just does it.

So far I'm the only one she hasn't been able to work into a dither...I find it amusing that she is able to work grown men into such a state, I just stand aside and let her run amuck among U.

Nathans_Dad 01-07-2006 05:32 AM

Sometimes I wonder if she remembers the conversation or just throws things out there to see what sticks...

cool_chick 01-07-2006 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Sometimes I wonder if she remembers the conversation or just throws things out there to see what sticks...
WTF

I'm serious.

Ok, you're claiming black democrats denigrate black republicans. Based on this isolated incident, or maybe one or two others you've seen on your freaking TV, you've definitively concluded that black democrats denigrate black repubicans? Do you have proof for your allegations? Do you know for a fact and can prove that the black democrats here in Chicago denigrate black republicans? Do you know and can provide proof that black democrats in Hawaii, California, Iowa, Omaha, Washington state, etc., do this?

Do you even know a black democrat?

Your generalizations suck and are completely unrealistic and illogical!

tabs 01-07-2006 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
WTF

I'm serious.

Ok, you're claiming black democrats denigrate black republicans. Based on this isolated incident, or maybe one or two others you've seen on your freaking TV, you've definitively concluded that black democrats denigrate black repubicans? Do you have proof for your allegations? Do you know for a fact and can prove that the black democrats here in Chicago denigrate black republicans? Do you know and can provide proof that black democrats in Hawaii, California, Iowa, Omaha, Washington state, etc., do this?

Do you even know a black democrat?

Your generalizations suck and are completely unrealistic and illogical!

Are U still trying to put life into that dead horse your dragging around...the conversation is over move on...to the next topic...

Racerbvd 01-07-2006 08:43 AM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Or Bill Clinton saying he had no knowledge that Charlie Trie and Johnny Chung's fundraising was coming from the ChiCom military...mere coincidence that Clinton loosened trade restrictions allowing his buddies to sell ICBM technology to the ChiComs.
Don't forget al gores fund raising event where the monks gave him so much money, funny how monks who took a vow on poverty could come up with so much cash, or him using to White House to illegally raise money and gets away with it by saying he won't do it again.

cool_chick 01-07-2006 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by tabs
Are U still trying to put life into that dead horse your dragging around...the conversation is over move on...to the next topic...
Of course the horse is dead. Generalizing is STUPID.

You trying to hone your trolling skills? I'll clue you in...you've mastered it....move on now...

hahahaha

Racerbvd 01-07-2006 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by tabs
Are U still trying to put life into that dead horse your dragging around...the conversation is over move on...to the next topic...
Corrine Brown has been quoted saying that
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A black Repubilcan is not a real black and has turned on their own race
or something of that nature. She has said many other very stupid things. Look her up.

tabs 01-07-2006 09:03 AM

OK U can have the last word...as I said I stand aside, I know when not to stand in front of a hurricane named Keri...

techweenie 01-07-2006 09:20 AM

Hypocrisy?

You mean like Republicans castigating Bill Clinton for firing cruise missiles at OBL?

Or criticizing our actions in Kosovo and explaining it wasn't unsupportive to the troops?

Or mocking Bill Clinton for dropping a couple of bombs on an "aspirin factory" on false intelligence while defending the invasion of an entire country on even wweaker/contradicted intel?

techweenie 01-07-2006 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by Racerbvd
Don't forget al gores fund raising event where the monks gave him so much money, funny how monks who took a vow on poverty could come up with so much cash, or him using to White House to illegally raise money and gets away with it by saying he won't do it again.
Completely incorrect account of the 'Al Gore temple incident.'

But if you repeat it enough...

Racerbvd 01-07-2006 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by techweenie
Completely incorrect account of the 'Al Gore temple incident.'

But if you repeat it enough...

Then please tell us thecorrect account

tabs 01-07-2006 09:39 AM

I know I am the "master" of the Troll...I also know at times my retorts have a devastating effect, much like a wrecking ball hitting a house.

cool_chick 01-07-2006 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by tabs
I know I am the "master" of the Troll...I also know at times my retorts have a devastating effect, much like a wrecking ball hitting a house.

You're quite the legend in your own mind tabs.

tabs 01-07-2006 09:49 AM

NO COOL I AM A LEGEND ON THIS BOARD....and anyplace that I go where I practice my JUJU.....The whole R Gruppe let alone the Early Registry puts its tail betwen its legs when they see me coming.....ask anybody here...

Ask PWD72S for instance...

tabs 01-07-2006 10:02 AM

A little more and I would have hijacked this whole Thread...ehhh no challenge anymore

I have no doubt that many members of the Democratic Black caucus desparage as Uncle Toms Blacks who are Repblicans...They don't understand that Whitey giving Darky a handout is still keeping them in Bondage, by keeping them dependent.

A question to raise...is it better to be a House Nigger aka Uncle Tom living up in the Big House with Master or better to be a Field Nigger and living in the shacks by the old mill pond aka as the cesspool.

techweenie 01-07-2006 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Racerbvd
Then please tell us thecorrect account
The Monterey Park area Democrats had a fund-raising effort and accumulated enough to make a decent-sized check out to the Gore campaign.

Gore had a speech scheduled at a local Buddhist temple, and the Monterey Park Democratic party chair figured she could present the check to him in person. She didnt' clear it with the Gore campagin; just planned to go ahead and handed him the check at the temple.

One of the coordinators of the fund raising effort wanted to make the check "at least $100,000" but only $45,000 had been raised. The head of the temple promised to try to raise the remaining $55K that was wanted from the monks and nuns. And they did.

So the temple was just the site where the check was handed over. The visit wasn't specifically a fund-raiser, and Buddhist monks do not take anything like a vow of poverty.

So the story isn't simple; but it also isn't particularly sordid.

Probably the same or similar things happened at Christian churches during the campaign, but the fact it was at a Buddhist temple seemed to give the RNC some traction.

An ex-GF of mine was a member of that temple at the time. No attempt was made on behalf of the temple to raise money from the congregation.

Nathans_Dad 01-07-2006 03:55 PM

CC, once again you are trying to put words in my mouth. My first post on this thread was in response to the following post from you.

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Originally posted by cool_chick
Now the NAACP, etc. is "against" black Republicans?

:rolleyes:

whaaaaaaaaaa. The classic "victim" bull***** again. haha

So you see, it was you who made the claim that black Democrats (well you actually said the NAACP, but last I checked those were pretty much black Democrats) were not "against" black Republicans.

So I don't have the position to defend. You made the generalization, not me. I simply pointed out a very recent instance where black Democrats DID in fact denigrate a black Republican.

cool_chick 01-07-2006 04:03 PM

Ok nathans_dad, since you feel I'm unclear as to your position...

let it out...

what IS your position with regard to black democrats and black republicans? What do YOU think about it?

Nathans_Dad 01-07-2006 04:15 PM

I think that there are some black Democrats that put their party above their race. These are the people who cause the problems like what happened in Maryland. I think that behavior is horrible and it's racism.

I also think there are many black Democrats that would like to see someone of color in power no matter if they were Republican or Democrat.

I do, however, think it is counterproductive for the black community to keep other black people out of positions of power simply because they don't belong to a certain political party.

And I think black Republicans are going to be one of the major moving forces in the Republican party of the future. People like JC Watts, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, etc. I would vote any of those people for President in a heartbeat.

Mulhollanddose 01-07-2006 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
I think that there are some black Democrats that put their party above their race. These are the people who cause the problems like what happened in Maryland. I think that behavior is horrible and it's racism.

I also think there are many black Democrats that would like to see someone of color in power no matter if they were Republican or Democrat.

I do, however, think it is counterproductive for the black community to keep other black people out of positions of power simply because they don't belong to a certain political party.
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well."

Booker T. Washington, 1911


Booker T. Washington, a black man seemingly forgotten by the black power brokers.

cool_chick 01-07-2006 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
I think that there are some black Democrats that put their party above their race. These are the people who cause the problems like what happened in Maryland. I think that behavior is horrible and it's racism.

I also think there are many black Democrats that would like to see someone of color in power no matter if they were Republican or Democrat.

I do, however, think it is counterproductive for the black community to keep other black people out of positions of power simply because they don't belong to a certain political party.

And I think black Republicans are going to be one of the major moving forces in the Republican party of the future. People like JC Watts, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, etc. I would vote any of those people for President in a heartbeat.


Thank you. You only answered one sided though. How do you feel about black republicans and black democrats?

techweenie 01-07-2006 04:45 PM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
I think black Republicans are going to be one of the major moving forces in the Republican party of the future. People like JC Watts, Condi Rice, Colin Powell, etc. I would vote any of those people for President in a heartbeat.
My opinion (though you didn't ask) is that none of the above can possibly be nominated for President by the RNC.

JC Watts: From a small state; little national exposure.

Colin Powell: used and abandoned by the Bushies. Considered damaged goods for effectively apologizing for lying to the UN and Americans. More welcome in the Democratic party than the Republican.

Condi Rice: loyalist to a fault. Will be actively considered as VP possibility but polling will tell the RNC that it's not yet time for a "double minority" anywhere on their ticket. If she is a strong contender, the fine hand of Mr. Rove will plant a rumor about her sexuality.

But that's just my guess...

Nathans_Dad 01-07-2006 05:43 PM

Black Republicans and Black Democrats? What do you mean how do I feel? If you can show me an instance where Black Republicans threw Oreos and called a Black Democrat an Uncle Tom then I would say that is detestable as well.

Do you have such an incident or are you just trolling?

Nathans_Dad 01-07-2006 05:45 PM

Tech I would say that Condi has a good shot at the VP nomination in 2008. I agree that the others would probably not be nominated for President, Powell certainly could, but I don't think he would accept for family reasons.

JC Watts has voluntarily stepped out of the limelight for some reason, but if you ever heard that guy talk...man he is sharp.

cool_chick 01-07-2006 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Black Republicans and Black Democrats? What do you mean how do I feel? If you can show me an instance where Black Republicans threw Oreos and called a Black Democrat an Uncle Tom then I would say that is detestable as well.

Do you have such an incident or are you just trolling?

No, you expanded beyond that incident.

- you said you think some black democrats cause problems...etc.

- you said black democrats also would like to see people of color in power.

- you think it's counterproductive for the black community to keep others out of positions of power, etc.

- you think black republicans are going to have political power (although that one's probably going to be more difficult, there I don't think isn't even one black republican in congress right now, it's more likely going to be a black democrat in the race first, though I'm sure this will change in the future....)

I agree with you, and I welcome it, though I'm not sure I agree which "party" the black will emerge with first...

I'm asking what you think about how the black republicans feel about the black democrats, and the like.

Nathans_Dad 01-07-2006 06:15 PM

Well since I have no evidence of black Republicans acting like buffoons towards black Democrats I would have to conclude that they think black Democrats are ok. I'm sure they disagree with their politics just like they disagree with white Democrats, but I haven't seen them stoop to the level of racism to try and prevent them from gaining power. Have you?? If you have an article or link or something I'd like to see it...

cool_chick 01-07-2006 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Well since I have no evidence of black Republicans acting like buffoons towards black Democrats I would have to conclude that they think black Democrats are ok. I'm sure they disagree with their politics just like they disagree with white Democrats, but I haven't seen them stoop to the level of racism to try and prevent them from gaining power. Have you?? If you have an article or link or something I'd like to see it...
You came up with your conclusions in your last post because of one incident?

I would agree with your last post, but not because of party affiliation. I don't see the thiings you pointed out have to do with the "party." Just happened to be these people belonged to that one party on this one occasion.

I'm sure there's incidents where it was reversed. It makes logical sense....this stuff is way deeper than "democrat" or "republican."

Mulhollanddose 01-07-2006 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by cool_chick
what IS your position with regard to black democrats and black republicans? What do YOU think about it?
To the DNC the black democrat politicians are lawn jockeys...You ever ask yourself why you never see a black Democrat in leadership or high office?...Democrats were the party of segregation, now they have changed their tune for political expediency.

cool_chick 01-07-2006 07:16 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
To the DNC the black democrat politicians are lawn jockeys...You ever ask yourself why you never see a black Democrat in leadership or high office?...Democrats were the party of segregation, now they have changed their tune for political expediency.
Actually, that's not true. The only blacks currently in congress are democrats. I can't think of one black republican in congress right now.

And actually it was the party that are calling themselves republicans now that was for segregation...the parties shifted.

But this is bull*****. Any one with half a brain knows neither party is "against" black people now.

Nathans_Dad 01-07-2006 07:31 PM

I will take from your non-answer that you do not, in fact, have any examples of incidents where members of the Republican party who are black have pelted a black Democratic candidate with Oreos, called him an Uncle Tom, posted demeaning and racist cartoons of him on their blogs, etc, etc, etc...??

And yes, when something as idiotic and hateful as that happens to a man who is just trying to serve his country, I tend to form an opinion based on it.


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