We're not trying to exterminate them you leftists boobs. If that was our goal we would still be dropping bombs. Our goal is to eliminate the ignorance that creates these animals via spreading Capitalism and Democracy. I fear your myopic view can't see that far down the road though. Or maybe you don't think their hatred is born of ignorance? That IS a popular leftist view as well.

Our guys are largely NOT on the attack, they are simply protecting the infant society. Can you grasp that?

I don't expect peaceful coexistence with muslim fundamentalists, in the sense America has with Canada, but I do expect no terrorist attacks on American soil when we demand and secure no US government meddling, of any kind, in the middle east.

Right now, G. W. Bush is not only tolerating a muslim takeover and genocide in southeastern europe, he's facilitating it. You, we, everyone, needs to ask why that is, and why this militant conquest does not merit, if not overt US government action, at least a cessation of US government assistence to those staging it.

Rick, my position has always been Good Energy Policy is Good Foreign Policy.

livi...all due respect...that is one of the biggest lies out there.

Do yourself a favor and do not trust 90% of the propaganda that comes out of American media or Al Jazeera, or like minded left leaning world press.

Apparently the "leftist boob" that started this thread cannot grasp today's "rightist" wisdom.

So do you, or do you not, want to kill them all, so there is "no one left to fight?"

Or are you in the camp that believes merely threatening suicide bombers with death will make them tow the line?

Whatever you do, don't talk to them! Don't dare try to understand why they are going to their deaths to kill us, or why their numbers keep growing. Don't try to understand. It wouldn't be manly.

If our current plan fails and they reject democracy and capitalism then we'll worry about that. I believe what we are doing will work and education will prevail.

I will add that a good portion of those I've met that have spent time in the ME say "turn it into glass" but I'm a glass is half full kinda guy:)

"Ragheads"?
"Japs"?
Equating an entire race to a bunch of insects?

Another really inspiring OT thread. You should all be very proud of yourselves.

Mul,

How do you figure? Enlighten me.

And a genuine humanitarian. The vigor with which you have condemned the proposed slaughter of a billion or so Muslims is truly admirable :)

The Right has become what it hates.

Undercooked poultry?

Killer Bees?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1137791910.jpg

I coached Brandeis Crew (rowing) for years. Each year we would go down to South Carolina for early spring break and get some time on the water. One year we stopped at a roadside chicken shack and orderd 30 whole BBQ chickens. As we were devouring them, the meat got redder and redder, bloodier and darn near a chainsaw massacre as we got down to the core.

Who said anything about negotiations? Who do all of the genocidal mouth-breathing christian jihadists always accuse anyone who disagrees with them as being a terrorist sympathiser or wanting to negotiate?

If flipping on the kitchen light resulted in getting a nasty electrical shock, the liberal would turn off the power and check the wiring and try to figure out why he got shocked; the conservative would give Halliburton a no-bid contract to burn down the house as a warning to the light switches in the other houses in the neighborhood.

Then you might want to read this one By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN.

Because it's all they have. No new ideas, no strategy, just stay the course with what isn't working with the hope of a miracle while disparaging outside critical thought.

You've got to admit, it's done well for them.

I don't expect peaceful coexistence with muslim fundamentalists, in the sense America has with Canada, but I do expect no terrorist attacks on American soil when we demand and secure no US government meddling, of any kind, in the middle east.

Right now, G. W. Bush is not only tolerating a muslim takeover and genocide in southeastern europe, he's facilitating it. You, we, everyone, needs to ask why that is, and why this militant conquest does not merit, if not overt US government action, at least a cessation of US government assistence to those staging it.

LOL. Good analogy.

Most of this is the basis for a thread I want to start: How George Bush will bankrupt the U.S. All of the integrated data points are there, but it will take me prolly 2 hours to create a cohesive, formal thesis.

Linking the Geely which will put U.S. Automakers out of business with China with borrowing from China to pay for Iraq which will yield absolutely no ROI because China (and India) will use up oil at such an alarming rate that it will be gone in 30 years. So we are in debt to Chinese Communists, our bankers, the same guys who have squelched democracy and free thought, we are buying their super cheap goods which has killed our manufacturing base but fueled their economy, resulting in a weakened political position for the U.S. in the world all while our children have to pay off this debt, but they won't have an economy based on anything other than ideas, ones that the Chinese freely steal, the same guys who have met with and made raw materials and arms deals with every country in the western hemisphere as well as oil deals with the ME and so on and so on.

That's about 1/5th of it. The bankrupting of America by George Bush, the man who subjugated our country under China's Communist government so he would have the money to attack Iraq, instead of investing it in U.S. infrastructure to strengthen our children's futures in the areas of:
Education
Energy Independence
Ultra-high speed national data architecture (Asia's is 60 times faster than ours now for the same cost) and since Information flow is power...

I really wish I had the time to put it all together. But essentially gentleman, Iraq is the pebble that Geoge Bush set into motion down the mountain that will become a boulder and crush America some 10 to 20 years down the hill.

The fierce verbal combat between liberals and conservatives never seize to amaze me. You have a polarity in your political views only matched by the British Parliament.

I can really miss some of that liveliness in our politically mellow debate.

With all due respect to weenie, a bad analogy. In the above case, a liberal would immediately raise taxes everyone in the county to fund a 10-yr study of all electrical switches in the neighborhood to determine which switch manufacturer needed to be sued. The conservative would go to WalMart ... :) ... and by a new freakin switch.

No, they would go to a Bass pub and asked for a Guiness.

The Republicans, and American conservative movement, have had a coup d'état by the neo-conservatives. It began in 1964 and was largely complete by Ronald Reagan's nomination. Their actiion bore fruit in the selection of Bush the First as Reagan's VP; and again with the election of Bush II.

The neo-cons are old Trotskyite communists for the most part.

First of all, you aren't a conservative. Your argument as if you were is specious.

Rodeo, that photo is hitting below the belt. I cry "Uncle". I can't take it no mo.

The WMD of graphic warfare. It's covered under the Geneva Convention, and all that.

Well, I was gonna say Home Depot, but I know how you lefties hate WalMart... If they don't carry electrical parts yet, give them time... :)

Ohhh Noooo! I've been outed!

P.S. Actually, you're correct. I'm a liberal but not a leftist. Know the difference?

Whole lot of BS. There are NO renewable energy sources at this time, not sun, wind or whatever. Nothing even close for the next 500 years or so. There is just to darn much energy in those old fossil fuels, not to mention nuclear energy. As to green house gas, well nuclear can fix that, if it even is a real problem, which it most likely isn't. Also the leftie types don't like wind or solar because energy is not their true agenda. As to so called fossil fuel, it may indeed may be one of the renewable ones, as it may actually be produced by methane gas from the earths internal core. But we really don't understand the whole thing at this point.

but back to the point, the lefts desire to wreck the world because they are not willing to try anything that might actually work. The left always waits until there are NO choices left. Only the complete extrermination of the opposing side.

I always thought conservatives were the Pabst Blue Ribbon types. Wasn't Blue Velvet an allegory on the two-party system? Hopper plays a great con!

ahhhh, but Pat points out that I'm not a conservative...:confused:

Actually, I prefer Sam Adams amber or Sierra Nevada pale ale...

I guesss that joke is too old for most of you. It's an old Irish joke. A Bass house served Bass ale and you couldn't get Guiness there.

The conservative would go to the wrong place and ask for the wrong solution to the problem.
The corrective action does not fit the root cause.
You know like attacking Irag to get kill terrorists, OBL.

But if you get the wrong beer at the wrong place, you might get the beer you're after.......... never mind.

You are wrong if the theory of Abiotic Oil formation is can be proven beyond doubt. One of the serious proponents of the theory was the Thomas Gold an astrophysicist at Cornell University.

At the time we dropped the bomb, they were JAPs. Still one of the most racist people on the face of the earth. But notice, contrary to the lefts view point they did surrender, unconditionally. I just hope the next one dosen't take two A bombs to make it happen.

Next time read all of what I said, exactly what you have stated. Quoteing myself "As to so called fossil fuel, it may indeed may be one of the renewable ones, as it may actually be produced by methane gas from the earths internal core." Oil may indeed be a renewable resource.

But the others, the wind, solar are all fantasies. Even a first year engineering student can do the calculations, it will never happen, no way, no how. Just like the electric car debacle. In the early 1960's the best way of conserving energy was to utilize hybrids, in larger cars and trucks. But no the political types intervened and pursued electric. Set back hybrids by at least 35 years. I wrote a paper for the local auto shop class at Saddleback college about 5 years ago, stating this. Now they know its true. But it was obvious to anyone with an IQ above 10 all along.

I am an electrical engineer, so I am biased, in favor of all things electric, but I do not subscribe to the electric car fiasco. Never made any sense to anyone with over a 5th grade education.

Now the political correct types are pursuing hybrids. but in mini cars. Makes no sense whatsoever. Only on giant busses or large trucks, maybe an expedition or suburban, but nothing smaller

But then you realize, its not about energy, its politics. Left wing politics.

So vaporizing 100,000 or so women and children will solve the terroism problem?

Your OK with incinerating children?

I stated that I hope that it dosen't take two A bombs to make it happen. What can't you understand about this? You lefties are the ones that are pushing us to that choice, not the reasonable "right wing" people.

And Yes vaporizing the opposition does fix the problem, permanently.

But I happen to like a lot of the Iranians and Mid eastern peoples, and I do not want this to happen to them. But if you lefties keep it up, it will become inevitable.

You do know your f*cking nuts, right?