Need arguments against vegetarianism

[Moses]

Originally posted by livi
... with my 40 years old - crisis culminating, Iīd do anything with even the most remote chance of heighten my energy level and spirit.

Anything???

[vash]

oooo, i think i feel something...!

[Moses]

Originally posted by Tobra
If you want a small kid, go vegan by all means.

At the time of the American Revolution, it was noted that colonists raised in America were on average 2" taller and 15-20 pounds heavier than men raised in native England. At the time, meat was a rare luxury to commoners in England, while colonists had wild game as a steady part of their diet. No conclusions as to who was healthier, though.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
What about eating human flesh? Is that good? Repulsive on a cultural basis but what about on a purely scienctific basis? Is it possably OK and good to do so?

No, it's very dangerous. While bacteria are mostly killed by cooking, virii are not and are transmitted to the eater. Cannibalism, to my knowledge, has never been a common practice to any group of humans that had an average lifespan beyond 40 or so years of age.

[livi]

Mike, Iīll be sure to mention you when I hit Stockholm! BTW, is it true about the lamb recipe ?

Moses, I would ! Short of eating her, that is...

[fastpat]

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
So before man had figured out how to use a stick or rock or pit to kill an animal he/she was a scavenger and an herbivore? It was only after he invented death tools that he started eating fresh meat? And then it becomes good for them?

That's an unscientific question, supplanted by information that's, to be generous, have no substance.

Using tools evolved, no one knows over how many millenia. Further, we can't say when man began eating red meat, it wasn't likely a sudden change, but one based on a change over from chasing insects and mice, to killing larger animals.

Further, the change from hunting wild animals to herding domesticated one didn't occur overnight, but did develop over a much shorter period of time, yet that took hundreds if not thousands of years too.

But really Pat, I am curious, why do you think people are supposed to eat meat?

That's like the guy who asked, "why do you like women so much." the response is, "because they smell really good and are soft."

Man should eat red meat because it tastes really good and is good for you.

[RickM]

Keep in mind our closest relatives in the animal world eat meat as well. Is it the base of their diet? No, but they eat it when they can.

[alf]

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Markus - your a man of science and reason, try out being a vegan for 6 months. Thats what I did years ago and it lasted for years. It was an experiment nothing more. One thing is for sure, it really will not hurt you and you may learn something.

Do you have access to any diagnostic equipment? Blood work tests? EGG/EKG/PETT/CAT? Stress Tests? If so, do a study and publish a paper on it

Spot on. Try it yourself and see how it feels. Ghandi did it and decided that vegetarianism is better.

I did it for 2 years and realized that vegetarianism is better for my overall health and mental state.

But i like to eat some meat, drink & smoke occasionally and drive fast.

[Z-man]

Originally posted by bryanthompson
Bacon is the best argument against veggie-heads. Fry up some bacon in front of your daughter and she'll make up her mind quickly

My sentiments exactly!

[Homer Simpson voice]
Mmmm...bacon...Mmmm
[/Homer]

-Z.

[BlueSkyJaunte]

Originally posted by dhoward
Umm.. that was an arguement against...

Originally posted by masraum
Except for a few exceptions these are not people that I'm going to pattern my life after. Hmm, Alicia Silverstone, Ally Sheedy, Billy Idol, yep, they're definitely smarter than me and people to pattern my life after.

Oh, I see, you are at least as

1) Intelligent
2) Wealthy
3) Good looking
4) Physically fit

as any of the folks on that list?

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by red-beard We are omnivores. We are supposed to eat meat.

Go to the bathroom. Look in the mirror. Look in your mouth.

See your back teeth? They are designed to eat meat. God did this for a reason and it was not to bite your wife. We are made to eat meat among other things.

Like someone else said, fry up some bacon and watch them appear...

Joe A

[K.B.]

Do you eat dogs?

How about cat? or horse?

Why not? If you claim to be a meat eater, what is the holdup?

Some cultures have cows as a religious symbol, and do not eat them. We americans seem to think "meat" is pig or cow. Aren't pigs a symbol of being dirty? Where does mad cow disease come from?

I gave up "red meat" for 3 months, 20 years ago - never looked back. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.

There are different types of vegetarians, vegans, lacto vegetarians. If it was not healthy there would be some statistics to prove these people were less healthy.

[Moses]

Originally posted by K.B.
Do you eat dogs?

How about cat? or horse?

Why not? If you claim to be a meat eater, what is the holdup?

Some cultures have cows as a religious symbol, and do not eat them. We americans seem to think "meat" is pig or cow. Aren't pigs a symbol of being dirty? Where does mad cow disease come from?

If I'm hungry, pretty much anything moving slower than me could be in danger.

[FrayAdjacent911]

I love the 'don't knock it if you haven't tried it' statements.

Once had a homosexual man pull that on me. I told him to try eating dog $hit. Hey, 'don't knock it if you haven't tried it'.


Myself, I wouldn't be able to do vegitarianism or veganism. I don't eat salads. I don't eat much fruit. My diet could definitely be more 'balanced'.

I don't think changing completely would be the SOLE cause for better health I think it's the addition or increased portions of certain materials that are beneficial to one's health, not the absence of meat, that lends to better health.

[snowman]

I have known a fairly large number of old people. Many in my family and relatives families, and from doing the family genealogy I know how long most of my relatives lived for almost 1500 years or so. Typical age at death was mid 90's. Now I don't know for sure that they all ate meat, but being in farming business I strongly suspect that they all did. I know of one early death, in about 1650. He died while slaughtering a side of beef. It fell on him and suffocated him. I strongly suspect he ate beef as well. As to the last 200 years I KNOW they all ate meat. In fact most of their diets would make a dietician have a coronary just knowing what they ate. I know about 30 people that are in their 80s to 95, all drive, all are in reasonable health. Not one is a veggie. My mother (80), both grandmothers, all great grandmothers, all lived into their mid 90's in good health, eg milked cows at 95 every day at 4am, ate everything. Pigs knuckles, bacon, steak, French fries, many pies, all crusts made with Lard, all that good stuff. Not a single veggie.

So much for anecdotal evidence in any case. In fact the most striking, common trait was they ate everything in moderation (by a farmer’s standard, not the suggested diets of today.)

By the way there are statistics that show veggies get in a lot of trouble, quite often, due to some kind of malnourishment. One can safely live on red meat alone, but not veggies.

[livi]

Thanks guys,

All your posts are now read and digested - and I am well prepared to go home and throw them up on my better half.

Edit: If I donīt succumb to vegetarianism, that is.

[RickM]

Originally posted by alf
Spot on. Try it yourself and see how it feels. Ghandi did it and decided that vegetarianism is better.

He also drank his own urine every day of his adult life.

[snowman]

After reading my own post again I think I see a possible answer to your dillema. Veggies DO get in trouble, and often. Look up a bunch of references on the subject and use this as ammo. Like do you want our daughter to have this problem? Is it worth the risk? I am sure you can find enough info to support this claim, some of it really damning to the veggies. This feel good crap is just that, crap. The facts show that veggies have LOTS of problems that people with normal diets do not have.

I suspect that your training has made you wary of this type of diet, just look up the info to refresh your basic, realistic, concerns. Get the facts and lay them out on the table for your wife. Its your daughter to.

[K.B.]

Originally posted by livi
Thanks guys,

All your posts are now read and digested - and I am well prepared to go home and throw them up on my better half.

Edit: If I donīt succumb to vegetarianism, that is.

Vegetarianism isn't for everybody. Some here would compare it to eating dog **** or worse. It probably isn't for them. If you have a lame excuse why you would not try it - it isn't for you. If you are willing to try it as an experiment, just try eating only vegetables for a period of time like a month. For the first week you may feel hungry more often than usual because you don't have a "brick" in your stomach. After eating vegatables for a month, then eat a great big steak and see how you feel afterwards. You will know for yourself if vegetarianism is for you.

Only if you try this will you have "ammo" to say why your daughter should be a meat eater. Otherwise you are speaking out of nonknowledge, which may people seem to do well.

[snowman]

I happen to feel very content and good after eating a steak.