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fastpat 02-06-2006 12:59 PM

Men arrested for using real money...
 
Yep, privately minted, real silver dollars. Damn them for casting doubt on US government faux money.

Quote:

Buffalo lawyer takes Liberty dollar case

Buffalo News

2/5/2006

A Buffalo lawyer who has been crusading for change in local overnment is now representing two men accused of trying to buy beer with "Liberty silver dollars" at a Buffalo Sabres game.

Attorney James Ostrowski said he is representing Daniel Buczek, 55, and Buczek's son, Shane, 34. The two Derby men were arrested Dec. 26 at a Sabres game.

Ostrowski is president of Free Buffalo, a grassroots organization seeking tax cuts and widespread changes in local government policies.

"My position is that this whole incident should not have happened, and [the Buczeks] did nothing illegal," Ostrowski said on Saturday.

The Buczeks were charged with felony counts of criminal impersonation and possession of a forged instrument. A misdemeanor harassment charge also was filed. The two men deny the allegations, saying they were wrongly accused.

Police said the two Derby men were arrested after they tried to buy beer from "numerous" vendors with privately minted Liberty silver dollars.

The federal government says the dollars are not counterfeit, but adds that no business is required to accept them. http://blog.lewrockwell.com/

VaSteve 07-02-2008 04:57 PM

Not to be the thread archaeologist, but I read about this alternative "liberty dollar" in the paper over the weekend and fastpat's the only one that ever posted about it. Apparently, it's some sort of "barter currency". I looked it up...anyone ever seen one of these? Anyone ever heard of the Hawaiian mint? I haven't.

http://www.libertydollar.org/

rammstein 07-02-2008 04:58 PM

Wow- I saw fastpat and thought he was back. That was weird.

many944s 07-02-2008 04:59 PM

I too took a double take when I saw his username pop up!!

slodave 07-02-2008 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rammstein (Post 4038542)
Wow- I saw fastpat and thought he was back. That was weird.

Same here.

Joeaksa 07-02-2008 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rammstein (Post 4038542)
Wow- I saw fastpat and thought he was back. That was weird.

+3 and it was not a good feeling!

legion 07-02-2008 05:13 PM

There's still room on the island...

speeder 07-02-2008 05:18 PM

Boy do I miss that guy. He would tie these trolls here in a knot.

Joeaksa 07-02-2008 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speeder (Post 4038592)
Boy do I miss that guy. He would tie these trolls here in a knot.

Why am I not surprised to hear this....

Shaun @ Tru6 07-02-2008 05:32 PM

I miss fastpat. A true Libertarian, very smart, well-read and engaging.

Now we have mule who is the polar opposite. and so the dumbing down of America continues, right here in our little Porsche microcosm.

MRM 07-02-2008 05:32 PM

I saw this thread and thought "Fastpat lives!" My second thought was how glad I am that he's gone. He's much more pleasant in memory than he was in real life.

m21sniper 07-02-2008 07:56 PM

Pat was amusing.

Moses 07-02-2008 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun 84 Targa (Post 4038624)
I miss fastpat. A true Libertarian, very smart, well-read and engaging.

Pat is bright and articulated his positions well. While I often disagreed, I found his stuff well worth reading. His absence is a loss.

Tobra 07-02-2008 08:04 PM

he is still on my ignore list, population 3, though I may be mistaken on the number

how many no response threads do you suppose he started?

the 07-02-2008 08:17 PM

I never found that he really articulated any positions much at all. He just regurgitated some kind of weird party line, supported by long rambling pastes. Every time I asked him to try to explain, in detail, in his own words, he could *never* do it. He almost always had to simply ignore pointed questions that got to the core issues, when the answers had to rely on his own thoughts.

I don't think he should have been banned, though. At least not for the rambling stuff he posted. I think it was a combination of simply too much of the same pastes/posts over and over again, polluting every thread, combined with stuff that went on with moderators off line.

tabs 07-02-2008 11:24 PM

Fastpat was intractable in his ideology and as such it was like talking to a stone wall. Mule is very similar in his approach, however daylight can penetrate the darkness between his ears. .

1967 R50/2 07-03-2008 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the (Post 4038953)
I never found that he really articulated any positions much at all. He just regurgitated some kind of weird party line, supported by long rambling pastes. Every time I asked him to try to explain, in detail, in his own words, he could *never* do it. He almost always had to simply ignore pointed questions that got to the core issues, when the answers had to rely on his own thoughts.

Ditto.

He was a troll.
Not well informed. Well MIS-INFORMED maybe. He always avoided the very, very basic incontravertible facts and could never explain the logic of his position when cornered.

But it didn't matter because his sole purpose was to tick people off...which is exactly what trolls do.

He should have been banned much sooner.

Seahawk 07-03-2008 03:28 AM

Well over a year after being banned and he can still rankle:cool:

Pat and I email all the time...he has done a great job researching the particulars of getting in the vineyard business, which I plan on doing in a few years. He has been a tremendous source of information as I put my business plan together.

I miss his presence here, but what do I know...the only one on my ban list is Seahawk:)

KFC911 07-03-2008 03:40 AM

I simply ignored all of Pat's ideological links, political postings, etc. but found him to be very intelligent and likable. There's a lot who fall into that category for me :)

ps: Did seahawk say something?

...kidding of course

widgeon13 07-03-2008 03:55 AM

where's the pic of him looking like a terrorist aka "Omar the tent maker"

Yeah, a real funny guy???http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/puke.gif

Jim Richards 07-03-2008 04:35 AM

We have a lot worse characters on PPOT than fastpat. It's a pity he's banned.

cashflyer 07-03-2008 05:12 AM

Wow... what an excellent thread about the Liberty Dollar. :rolleyes:

Can't you people whining about Pat go circle-jerk in private?

TerryBPP 07-03-2008 05:17 AM

I miss red ufo. Insanity is entertaining.

Jims5543 07-03-2008 05:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 4039278)
We have a lot worse characters on PPOT than fastpat. It's a pity he's banned.


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widgeon13 07-03-2008 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 4039278)
We have a lot worse characters on PPOT than fastpat. It's a pity he's banned.

Names, we want names!

Can I volunteer to be banned??

Joeaksa 07-03-2008 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 4039236)
where's the pic of him looking like a terrorist aka "Omar the tent maker"

Yeah, a real funny guy???http://forums.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/puke.gif

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1215091843.jpg

Ya mean this one? Isnt this how retired US Army guys are supposed to dress when at home in CONUS?

Jim Richards 07-03-2008 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 4039350)
Can I volunteer to be banned??

You're a lock to get banned if you don't post more pics of the Widgeon. :)

cashflyer 07-03-2008 06:49 AM

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1215091843.jpg
Let's see...
German flecktarn jacket
Gray sweat pants
wife's scarf/table cloth headgear
SAR-48

Yep, I can see why people are offended by (or sensitive to) the photo.
It's the black dog sneaking up behind him!!

VaSteve 07-03-2008 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cashflyer (Post 4039317)
Wow... what an excellent thread about the Liberty Dollar. :rolleyes:

Can't you people whining about Pat go circle-jerk in private?



lolz...ever seen one? I understand they are actually legal. :)

widgeon13 07-03-2008 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Richards (Post 4039370)
You're a lock to get banned if you don't post more pics of the Widgeon. :)

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1215134206.jpg

and it's for sale!

red-beard 07-03-2008 05:20 PM

Can we create a "banned" forum where they can still post, but no one else can? it might be amusing...

Jim Richards 07-03-2008 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by widgeon13 (Post 4040668)

Let me check my wallet. :D

widgeon13 07-03-2008 05:47 PM

another for your enjoyment

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1215136025.jpg

DavidI 07-03-2008 06:10 PM

I saw Patsy's name and thought he was back. It was fun poking sticks at him. I thought he was very intelligent, but was a troll.

David

livi 07-03-2008 06:16 PM

My brain does not compute (worse than ever). Who is the thread starter?


Edit: Never mind. Just noticed the post date...sorry...dumb azz Swedes..

widgeon13 07-03-2008 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by livi (Post 4040762)
My brain does not compute (worse than ever). Who is the thread starter?


Edit: Never mind. Just noticed the post date...sorry...dumb azz Swedes..

You mean you missed the infamous "fastpat", ballpark bully, bar room lawyer.

livi 07-03-2008 06:32 PM

I have a very clear memory of fastpat, but as my tired brain assumed it was a post started today I could not for my life comprehend how.....well there you have it.

I have to confess I rarely read his posts. Just too much words and too much politics.

Justin S 07-03-2008 06:49 PM

I like how people who think differently on PPOT are always ridiculed and made fun of.

So much for freedom of speech.

the 07-03-2008 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin S (Post 4040813)
I like how people who think differently on PPOT are always ridiculed and made fun of.

So much for freedom of speech.

Yes, there should be a prohibition against ridiculing and making fun of others. In the interest of freedom of speech.

widgeon13 07-04-2008 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin S (Post 4040813)
I like how people who think differently on PPOT are always ridiculed and made fun of.

So much for freedom of speech.

It's all meant to be good clean fun, fastpat could take care of himself quite well (as evidenced by the pic of him in full battle gear) and did his share of ridiculing. He was PPOT's professional shlt disturber. He had his supporters and detractors.

Happy Independence Day, and freedom of speech had nothing to do with it.


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