First off - the agro rights in this country make it a fool’s errand to even think about hurting the soil.

Secondly, just where do you really see this heading? It ain't getting better. And just by a fluke, a democrap gets into the orifice and pushes for diplomacy for 4 years, our economy would weak'n (cuz that’s what happens under the exact same scenario every time - that’s why!), the public gets up in arms and a conservative republican gets in and all the while Abdul and Shalami are making dirty deals. Before you know it starts up twice fold. We kept our eyes on Korea, China and certain rascals in S. America but because of all the crap that gunz & bullits Bush took, the next king is gonna be more skittish at drop’n some boomers.

We got into the fight and made a go at it but heck, if your gonna pop a guy in the nose you best look to send a massage to his friends that this is the last fight he (or his buddies) best think about git’n into. We held our punches. We should have gone on to take care or Syria and Iran while we were there and not stop until all the sobbing was over. Dragging this out is just gonna end up in more dead in the long haul.

No liberal plan is gonna work. Fundamentalist do not think like capitalist or socialist or communists or columnists or even communalists.

CC, you would hate me/my plan. I broke a lot of eggs making this pie.
but, Muslim's doing this sh22 anywhere but Mecca should be deported home.
Been there,filthy place...Take 30 cartoons, odd's are // you ask 10 of the faithful in the screaming mob to pick out the offending 10 =duhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
They are unable to think for themselves or apply some logic to just about anything. The ones that can, are here running Motels and corner stores.
Rika a happy & proud Infidel

Blast it all and have Nippon manage it - they couldn't invent it but they could copy it and make it reliable!

When gitmo closes down and they head home to tell of the 'horror', you will have wide eyed lilttle boys lining up for matardumb training.

The whole thing is a disgusting mess.

Whoo, hooo, I have to admit primal urges are hot.....

not...

Take any one of the incensed individuals and get them alone, introduce any number of offensive things to them and the reaction would be far less hostile. Get them in a group and watch the rockets flare!

It is cultural insanity, popular delusions and the madness of a crowd. Religious and cultural leaders have been using this phenomenon for eons. It is how you get your tribe to become successful at the other tribes expense.

Here in SA, downtown we have the will call labor pool,
Mob 's for Rent .toilet stall advertisement in Pakistan, city of Islamabad,
Rent to own, angry Muslim, discounts avail. for groups of 20 or more
cheap, flags are extra...
Danish flags 10 for a sheep
US flags 10 for a 20 US dollars ,special countries avail. upon request. BUT
No Russian or Chinese
Rupees / Dinars not accepted..US Dollars only
scale Embassy..you provide the rope..we have the fool (has own insurance)
Rika

Lubemaster, let me ask you this....

What would drive an educated, civilized, American individual to target and beat a muslim to a bloody pulp, or what drives civilized and educated Americans to call for the death and destruction of millions of people (parking lot)?

The first part easy..you hurt me or family/dog /country .... but you don't even have to Muslim to get this as#kicking
second...it will never be a tourist destination, seems they can only run up and down the street yelling 'death to the infidel's, I have no tolerance mobs, and sometimes it best to start from scratch. And a P owners credo..preventive maintenance..
Rika / Infidel

By "bloody pulp", do you mean dead (like the end result of a beheading or roadside bomb) or just a good old fashioned @ss whoopin, because the guy was stupid enough to say he supported his Islamo freak buddies?

No, usually Americans don't behead or plant roadside bombs. They use guns, fists, bats, pipes, etc.....many times as a group.

That's what I mean by "bloody pulp."

Edit: Additionally, why would you think this bloody pulp person said they supported terrorism?

>What if they turned the US into a glass parking lot, what do you think would happen? (clue....it starts with a WWW and ends with a III)

CC, Are you talking about some kind of website? Internet III? :D

Great logic in your initial post, Lube.

LOL one too many w's....oopsie

CC and Lube,

I have responded some in the past of some of these threads, and generally stop looking at them or commenting because some people take these things too personally and start calling each other names...

But with that said, I do not understand a lot of the fine points of all of the issues, but it seems to me that in a free society, there has to be restraint, and a sense of right and wrong. And some weight given to offenses...

Inciting a group or a congregation, (or a mob?) to riot, or rape, or murder in most societies is condemed. We have all seen what a crazed mob can do...look at our own history.

If a speaker, or a minister, or an "idiot" in Denmark or in the US were to stand in front of an audience and offer a million dollar reward to the person who would kill a specific human being, would we stand back and say that it is okay? What would we do? What should we do?

What should the response of the world community be to a leader in Pakistan who offers a million dollars to anyone who will kill a cartoonist? What should be the response of the leaders of Pakistan?

I do not know the answer, but cc and lube, I would like to hear your response?

Re: Free Speech Should Be Completly Free & Uncensored - But Only for Those with Brains!
 

Actually, your friend is correct....but you are as well.

This is the classic example of limits of free speech taught in every elementary school social studies class. Your rights only go so far as they do not impinge on the rights of others, etc. In the case of a fire in the theatre you clearly are creating a public danger.

What most people seldom realize is that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.

In the case of screaming fire in the theatre, that consequence would be jail time for creating a public hazard, inciting a riot, etc.

Apparently the Italians are big on free speech.

Italian reform minister allegedly has printed the twelve pictures on T-shirts. He was wearing one on a TV show the other day. He also call immigrant Muslims "ali babas" and suggests a more violent approach to these "cockroaches".

How´s that for free, albeit rather stupid, speech !

Just another reminder of how different the cultures are.
It's still going on. http://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20060218/43f6a9d0_3ca6_1552620060218-140709819

It seems we are able to process and move on. Perfect example, look how quickly this fell back a page or two.
They, on the other hand seem incapable of letting go.

At some point the bloody pulp option seems like a good idea!

Isn't there a bounty on Osama Bin Laden's head?

I believe he got fired.

Re: Re: Free Speech Should Be Completly Free & Uncensored - But Only for Those with Brains!
 

So true - yet it is less the act of the word that is said but rather the way in which one would react. I tend to think that the consequence of what is considered from irresponsible speech that dictates the definition of those words.

Say you had the majority of people that no matter what you said or how you said it they took an analytical look at it (like they were emotionless - think Spock from Star Trek). Would the consequence be the same? Of course not. The "Spock" people could practice total free speech becuase they would consider words that held merit and dismiss nonsense - yet those with that sort of intellect would not act recklessly with there words but if someone did they would quickly dismiss it.

The other ones that show that much passion over the spoken or written word - to the point of fury and even death do not deserve the opportunity to have completely free speech.

Lube,

You missed my point, and my question.

What would your response be if a high potentate in the Catholic or Lutheran church offered a million dollare reward for the killing of someone?

What should our response or the Dutch response be if a high potentate in the Catholic or Lutheran church offered a million dollare reward for the killing of someone?

Should not the Muslim world's response be the same?

Re: Re: Re: Free Speech Should Be Completly Free & Uncensored - But Only for Those with Brains!
 

However the reality of the situation is:

1. People are emotional beings and logic often does not figure into their actions. This is the nature of humanity.
2. That's why Spock is a fictional character.

Therefore, if you shouted "Fire!" in a crowded theater, you probably be taken away in handcuffs. I doubt that the reasoning that everyone else isn't logical would prevail at the court hearing.

Thou shall not kill - I think the Pope is pretty clear on that stance.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Free Speech Should Be Completly Free & Uncensored - But Only for Those with Brai
 

True true - because our laws are focused on the minimal level of humanity. Unless we decide to raise the bar in other areas - then we will always legislate to the bottom rung.

I do not mean to take passion and emotion out of our lives, it just has to a mature dealing with things and the way the people in the middle beast are actins, it seems like a 6 year old having a fit.

How does the Pope feel about the nuclear anilation of 100s of millions of innocent people, ("turn ME into glass"), to satisfy the blood-lust of some drunken yahoos in Texas who don't know jack**** about the world, but they're mad as hell about them damn ragheads, dagnabit!! :rolleyes:

Come on, the Dukes of Hazzard plan has been tried on one of the softest targets in the ME, and it didn't work too well now did it?

And if you're going to tell me that those millions over there are not innocent because they do not stand up and denounce the extremists, give me a break. That would be an example of stupid free speech. They would have the life expectancy of a flock of geese in a jet engine.

No, sorry. What we need is some reasonably intelligent leadership right now. I know that's not what you want to hear. As for the blood-thirsty Arabs, we've managed to coexist w/ them for eons and ass-rape each other for oil in a mutually beneficial arrangement until the Bush monkey came along and took a dump.

Denis - I'm pretty sure the Pope would not want to have anyone bombed or throw a holy war ion any direction. Not sure the same could be said for any ol Iman.

Maybe a good dose of some other cultures coming in looking for work would help. The Mexicans are used to hot weather. What say we ship a few million over there to tidy up the joint and work in some start up factories. Most those arabs like spicey food, I bet some pico de would go over big. Heck, while we are at it, why not import in about 20 million Chinese as well? Mix a little of the mountain relgion into the dune theme sure would diversify things. The Chinese want to get into the oil business, why not bring them right to the source?

Right now they are setting up a zone defence - best why to beat a zone is to flood it.

Well, you did get the Texas part right but thats about it.