How to spot a baby conservative

[kach22i]

How to spot a baby conservative
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KID POLITICS | Whiny children, claims a new study, tend to grow up rigid and traditional. Future liberals, on the other hand ...

Remember the whiny, insecure kid in nursery school, the one who always thought everyone was out to get him, and was always running to the teacher with complaints? Chances are he grew up to be a conservative.

I remember the biggest crybabies also being the ones picking fights and being aggressive, they were a volatile lot. If things did not go their way they would complain about it as if the whole world was terribly unjust. The expression; you are either for me or against me, comes to mind. A fatalistic bunch they could be, often desperate to keep others down in anyway possible. No joy in them unless others were being hurt or withheld their privileges though cries and false accusations.

[legion]

As opposed to the liberal babies, that would steal the other kids' toys, so that everything would be "equal"?

[Tervuren]

Here's an exception mate.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by legion
As opposed to the liberal babies, that would steal the other kids' toys, so that everything would be "equal"?

And if you crybabies kept your mouths shut, I would of gottten away with it too.

[928ram]

No mention in the article about what age the roles reverse to make all these whiney insecure liberals.

[thamlin000]

it came from berkeley.......no agenda here......

[kach22i]

Originally posted by thamlin000
it came from berkeley.......no agenda here......

Berkeley babies too, it's another conspiracy, they are all out to get you.

[Nathans_Dad]

One small, minor, itty bitty point here...

All those kids were living in the Berkeley, California area which, I might guess, has a high proportion of liberal parents raising those kids. I wonder if the results might be different if he repeated the study in, say, Wichita, Kansas??

Maybe all those little kids were whining because they couldn't stand the liberal crapola their parents were exposing them to on a daily basis...

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
One small, minor, itty bitty point here...

All those kids were living in the Berkeley, California area which, I might guess, has a high proportion of liberal parents raising those kids. I wonder if the results might be different if he repeated the study in, say, Wichita, Kansas??

Maybe all those little kids were whining because they couldn't stand the liberal crapola their parents were exposing them to on a daily basis...

So you are not going to read the article in the link? Or you already read it and choose to ignore it?

But the new results are worth a look. In the 1960s Jack Block and his wife and fellow professor Jeanne Block (now deceased) began tracking more than 100 nursery school kids as part of a general study of personality. The kids' personalities were rated at the time by teachers and assistants who had known them for months. There's no reason to think political bias skewed the ratings — the investigators were not looking at political orientation back then. Even if they had been, it's unlikely that 3- and 4-year-olds would have had much idea about their political leanings.

Perhaps your stance is that the investigators should of been looking at political orientation back then, right?

EDIT: I looked up this studies critic: Jeff Greenberg, a social psychologist at the University of Arizona

Jeff Greenberg's work on terrorism and self esteem is highly respected. I think they have common conclusions, so his real issue must be with the science part - shoddy work he called it.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/pto-19930301-000022.html

http://www.esi-topics.com/terrorism/interviews/JeffGreenberg.html

[Nathans_Dad]

Um, I did read the article Kach and maybe you missed this quote:

"Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country. But within his sample, he says, the results hold. "

Even he admits that all the kids were from the Berkeley area. And "within his sample" means that his results hold for the Berkeley area and cannot be generalized to other areas.

[Hugh R]

True story:

I have a friend who used to bartend at an upscale hotel bar in Washington, D.C. Did it for years. He told me the Democrat politicians would come in an have a drink or two and then they all sort of disappeared to make phone calls, and would stick the last one there with the bill. The Republicans would drink lots and get *****faced and fight over who was going to pay the bill. He said it was that way for years.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Um, I did read the article Kach and maybe you missed this quote:

"Block admits in his paper that liberal Berkeley is not representative of the whole country. But within his sample, he says, the results hold. "

Even he admits that all the kids were from the Berkeley area. And "within his sample" means that his results hold for the Berkeley area and cannot be generalized to other areas.

Standard disclaimer, otherwise the study would have to be called: Berkeley kids like rest of country, now here is the data.

[Nathans_Dad]

Um, right, so what was your problem with my statement that the results might be different in Wichita again? Do you think that Berkeley is NOT a predominantly liberal city? Do you think that being raised by liberal parents does not make a child more likely to espouse liberal beliefs in their young adulthood?

I'm confused on what your beef with my statement is.

[Tervuren]

A localized study on people is only going to work in similar areas. You won't find a Ferrari dealer in the middle of Kansas Farmland, why? Not enough people there want one. Give them a usefull truck, tractor, or suv instead.

[pbs911]

Spotting a baby liberal is easy. They are the ones in the supermarket whose mom is using food stamps.



On the highways its easy to spot a baby liberal. They are hte ones in the car without a sold paint sceme, and expired tags. The conservative babies are in the child seats of the P-car. :0

[Nathans_Dad]

Exactly Tervuren. If you studied liberal cities I bet you might find more liberal kids. If you study conservative cities you might find more conservative kids. The point is that the population of this study is skewed and therefore cannot be applied at all to any other population. This is probably a part of why the criticizing professor called it "shoddy work".

It's sort of like doing a study on skin cancer in Ecuador and then trying to apply that result to people in Alaska. Obviously there is more sun exposure in Ecuador so that is a different population that the Alaskans. The first thing you do when you evaluate a study is decide if it is biased and whether the results apply to your population. The entire study is a small sample size and poorly done affair which would quickly find its way into the roundfile of most true academics.

[FrayAdjacent911]

This seems more like a liberal 'pat ourselves on the back because we can use this to insult cons!' deal.

[RallyJon]

Bill Saletan sums up the flaws nicely:

Criticisms: 1) They did the study in Berkeley. 2) The correlations aren't that strong. 3) They skewed the interpretation, calling moral confidence "rigidity." 4) They overlooked left-wing rigidity. 5) What about the recent Pew study that showed Republicans are happier than Democrats?

[yellowline]

Originally posted by RallyJon
What about the recent Pew study that showed Republicans are happier than Democrats?

The Dems must be confidently unhappy!

[Jeff Higgins]

Originally posted by kach22i
How to spot a baby conservative
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1142722231554&call_pageid=970599119419
KID POLITICS | Whiny children, claims a new study, tend to grow up rigid and traditional. Future liberals, on the other hand ...

I remember the biggest crybabies also being the ones picking fights and being aggressive, they were a volatile lot. If things did not go their way they would complain about it as if the whole world was terribly unjust. The expression; you are either for me or against me, comes to mind. A fatalistic bunch they could be, often desperate to keep others down in anyway possible. No joy in them unless others were being hurt or withheld their privileges though cries and false accusations.

The big difference is that conservatives grow out of it; liberals grow into it.