Commie-infested Al Jezzera at it again

[911pcars]

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null

This is for the "fair and open-minded" posters on this forum.

The station's stance for voicing opposing views makes Fox News look positively ... err make that .... negative.

Sherwood

[island911]

She's like their token whack-job woman . . . a warning to all those good Muslims, to show what can happen if you allow women to live as people.

good link. thanks.

[MichiganMat]

I don't understand... what is the complaint againts this clip?

[911pcars]

Sorry Mat, my sarcasm is sometimes dense.

The appearance of this woman on that station and her message says so many things on many levels.

However, for a few on this board, Al Jezzera may now be considered part of the left-wing agenda. There goes my sarcasm again.

Sherwood

[island911]

Hey Sherwood, if it makes you feel any better, I got that you were using this as an example . .. to hold up Al Jezzera as the True fair & balanced news media.

Of course, you should always consider the context of what you see. I mean, if the kkk showed a film clip, to all their ilk, of ML King jr. . .would you conclude that it's because they are trying to be fair & balanced?

[911pcars]

"Hey Sherwood, if it makes you feel any better, I got that you were using this as an example . .. to hold up Al Jezzera as the True fair & balanced news media.

Of course, you should always consider the context of what you see. I mean, if the kkk showed a film clip, to all their ilk, of ML King jr. . .would you conclude that it's because they are trying to be fair & balanced?"

To me, fair and balanced means presenting both sides of a point of view. That's what a news organization should strive to maintain.

If the KKK had a news bureau and it showed both sides of the argument, that would be more credible and more valuable to the viewer than one-sided broadcasts; wouldn't you agree? No one said anyone has to believe any broadcast, one-sided or not. It's still up to the consumer to decide. However, better decisions are made if the the consumer is more informed, otherwise it's just propaganda.

I tend to place less credence on "news" that is one-sided, as if the presenters have something to hide from the consumer. However, others may interpret "one-side, one-voice news delivery as an affirmation of their belief systems.

If one were a moderate Muslim, after listening to this woman's presentation, I'd think at least some would reflect and look more within themselves and the goals and policies of their religion. If she wasn't able to speak to the masses, that would be one less point of view for people to ponder.

Same on our side of the water.

Sherwood

[Tervuren]

Originally posted by 911pcars
"Hey Sherwood, if it makes you feel any better, I got that you were using this as an example . .. to hold up Al Jezzera as the True fair & balanced news media.

Of course, you should always consider the context of what you see. I mean, if the kkk showed a film clip, to all their ilk, of ML King jr. . .would you conclude that it's because they are trying to be fair & balanced?"

To me, fair and balanced means presenting both sides of a point of view. That's what a news organization should strive to maintain.

If the KKK had a news bureau and it showed both sides of the argument, that would be more credible and more valuable to the viewer than one-sided broadcasts; wouldn't you agree? No one said anyone has to believe any broadcast, one-sided or not. It's still up to the consumer to decide. However, better decisions are made if the the consumer is more informed, otherwise it's just propaganda.

I tend to place less credence on "news" that is one-sided, as if the presenters have something to hide from the consumer. However, others may interpret "one-side, one-voice news delivery as an affirmation of their belief systems.

If one were a moderate Muslim, after listening to this woman's presentation, I'd think at least some would reflect and look more within themselves and the goals and policies of their religion. If she wasn't able to speak to the masses, that would be one less point of view for people to ponder.

Same on our side of the water.

Sherwood

Bloody heck, who cares about showing both sides of the issue, why not try to show the truth for once... yar?

[914GT]

It's interesting that you posted a video that was translated by the Middle Eastern Media Research Institute (MEMRI). I've been aware of MEMRI for a long time. But I bet if you go to your favorite mainstream media outlet (CNN, CBS, NBC, etc.) you'll find no reference to it. I found only a passing reference to MEMRI in this Oct. 2001 CBS News story. The major media keeps these stories like Wafa Sultan from the public, but they are quick to report the latest roadside bombing or statement from bin Laden. So I'll give Al jazeera some credit - they did something that our own media will ignore.

This story was posted on Little Green Footballs almost a week ago, to name one. Of course, this is a 'right wing' blog and does not count for anything in your opnion. I'm sure you have plenty of 'left wing' blogs and internet news sources for this story, don't you? I'd like to see one. Let me know if it's posted on the 'Daily Kos.

[island911]

Originally posted by 911pcars
[B]. ..
If one were a moderate Muslim, after listening to this woman's presentation, I'd think at least some would reflect and look more within themselves and the goals and policies of their religion.

Why?

-She is NOT a Muslim

-She is NOT a man

-She is NOT wearing proper atire


btw, why would you say "moderate Muslim"? If this peice had any teeth it would appeal to the not so moderate Muslim . . . which is what is does . .. in a very inflamitory way.

Had those words been spoken by a Muslim man (rather than a "Heritic woman") then you may have had a point about Al Jezzera being on the "fair & Balanced" high ground.

[911pcars]

"Bloody heck, who cares about showing both sides of the issue, why not try to show the truth for once... yar?"

... and the truth is .... (drum roll)

"btw, why would you say "moderate Muslim"? If this peice had any teeth it would appeal to the not so moderate Muslim . . . which is what is does . .. in a very inflamitory way."

Same way a different point of view might be interpreted by anyone with their beliefs carved in stone.

"Had those words been spoken by a Muslim man (rather than a "Heritic woman") then you may have had a point about Al Jezzera being on the "fair & Balanced" high ground."

You mean to theorize that Al Jezzera purposely allowed a lowly heretic woman to speak forcefully knowing her POV would be minimized by their listeners? Hmmm, interesting theory. But why allow her to speak in the first place? They didn't have to; just to concoct this reverse-psychological move: "Although we don't agree, we want to APPEAR fair and balanced, so we're going to broadcast this message from a lowly heretic woman whose message is daring, provocative and with some hard questions to answer to thousands of viewers"? If it's a one-sided message they want to deliver, they'd be better off following the strategies of Pat Robertson's CBN.
Island. I don't think Nielson TV polls reach the middle east.

[island911]

Sherwood, does Fox news ever show Hillary?
(Not to compare this well spoken ME woman to Hillary)

[azasadny]

They're not "commies", they're Muslim extremists/terrorists. Communists don't believe in "God"... Muslim extremists (or any extremist for that matter) think "their" God allows them to commit horrible acts in His name...

[914GT]

Originally posted by island911
Sherwood, does Fox news ever show Hillary?

Never.

[Tervuren]

Originally posted by azasadny
They're not "commies", they're Muslim extremists/terrorists. Communists don't believe in "God"... Muslim extremists (or any extremist for that matter) think "their" God allows them to commit horrible acts in His name...

Huh? The Puritans in Massachusits where communists, and you say they where athiests?

[azasadny]

I believe the Puritans were "socialists" or believed in communal property and communal living, but they weren't "communists" in the strict sense of the word. The term "Communist" includes the atheist viewpoint... The Russians were Communists because the "state" replaced God ("Karl Marx said: religion is the opiate of society...") . I could be wrong...

[Tervuren]

Originally posted by azasadny
I believe the Puritans were "socialists" or believed in communal property and communal living, but they weren't "communists" in the strict sense of the word. The term "Communist" includes the atheist viewpoint... The Russians were Communists because the "state" replaced God ("Karl Marx said: religion is the opiate of society...") . I could be wrong...

You are getting Marxism, mixed up with communism. Communism is much older then the Russian revolution. The early church could possibbly be classified as communist. Communism, is when you have things in common. Its been twisted by socialism and marxism into what we recognize the word to mean today. It can be bad, or good, depending on how its done. I have no problem with voluntary communism, but dissagree with forcing it on everyone.

[island911]

Originally posted by 914GT
Never.

Exactly.

Hillary is quoted when she spouts yet another eye-rolling nugget.

I love it, she has claim people have a problem with a Demo-Woman . . .in trying to play the Gender card.

. ..and really, what is Hillarys gender? I haven't seen much of feminine touch, from her.

[911pcars]

The far right take no prisoners to establish what they want, even to the extent of attacking one of their own. One example was the 2000 prez primaries when Bush was up against John McCain in the N. Carolina primaries.

If you don't know the history, Bush's campaign team first claimed McCain was gay, his wife a drug abuser and their daughter was his black child born out of wedlock. Actually, he's not gay, his wife was taking medication for some ailment and their daughter was adopted from Bangladesh (or something like that).

When that didn't work, he was branded a womanizer. Again, he's a Repubican too (besides a war hero).

Ms. Clinton is not going to encounter anything new on the campaign front. She'll be labeled a lesbian, strident, angry, weak, indecisive, power-hungry, pinko and incompetent; whatever they feel will stick. If she were a guy, they'd use the same aforementioned list except the term "lesbian" would be replaced by "transvestite". Welcome to 21st century American politics.

Did we seque too much? Let's get back on track. Remember the video clip at the head of this thread?

"They're not "commies", they're Muslim extremists/terrorists. Communists don't believe in "God"... Muslim extremists (or any extremist for that matter) think "their" God allows them to commit horrible acts in His name..."

I believe my tongue was planted too firmly-in-cheek with my opening intro. I really meant to demonstrate that Al Jezera, heretofore perceived in the west as the mouthpiece for "extremist Muslims", showed remarkable restraint in allowing this Arab-American woman to voice her dismay over the violent acts perpetrated by Muslims in the name of religion. And as far as I could see, there weren't constant interruptions from the opposition while she spoke, something that is SOP in American talk radio.

Sherwood
My edit: It was actually the So. Carolina primaries in 2000.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by 911pcars
The far right take no prisoners to establish what they want, even to the extent of attacking one of their own. One example was the 2000 prez primaries when Bush was up against John McCain in the N. Carolina primaries.

If you don't know the history, Bush's campaign team first claimed McCain was gay, his wife a drug abuser and their daughter was his black child born out of wedlock. Actually, he's not gay, his wife was taking medication for some ailment and their daughter was adopted from Bangladesh (or something like that).

....

Sherwood

Any proof that a member of "Bush's campaign team" did this...or are you just speading gossip? This has come up here many times before and no one has proven a link yet. Do you have new info after all this time...or just trying to rewrite innuendo as "history" again?

[island911]

Ah yes, Fint, but at least Sherwood will wrap his attacks with moral highground...

Originally posted by 911pcars
The far right take no prisoners to establish what they want, . ...

Sherwood