Concept for all you lefties out there

[Rodeo]

Oh ... you're playing with words ... kinda like your hero Bill Clinton? Ok, it's not actually the president sitting there with headphones on, listening in on our conversations. It's the people that work for him, and the computer programs that "sweep" our phone calls and emails.

Every person participating is acting under authority of a secret executive order, signed by the president (interesting sidenote -- some of the Justice Dept lawyers involved in the program actually went out and hired personal lawyers, fearful that they would be subjected to criminal penalties for participating in an illegal program).

But you are absolutely right, it's not actually Bush preforming the spying. Dude, you are one sharp cookie!

[RoninLB]

thx for the mumbo jumbo answer to my inquiry.

PS: "I searched and couldn't find any incidents of Bush spying on Americans. I need help on this one."

switch Bush for "anyone"

[Rodeo]

Anytime.

And thank you for not bringing up Sandy Berger again.

[RoninLB]

so does "anyone" instead of "Bush" offer any help.

[Rodeo]

Look Ronin, I already know that you are aware of the program and I already know you support it. After all, it's a Bush program, what's not to support?

So let's not waste any more of each other's time.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by RoninLB
so does "anyone" instead of "Bush" offer any help.

This spying business has been covered and exhausted to death on this board. I'm sorry you missed the party, it was a good one.

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by kach22i

This spying business has been covered and exhausted to death on this board. I'm sorry you missed the party, it was a good one.

Maybe.. maybe not. The program isolated by itself has in industrial age thinking. All imo.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by RoninLB
Maybe.. maybe not. The program isolated by itself has in industrial age thinking. All imo.

Okay, so we can get to the truth one way, and put a "higher up" on the stand and under oath.

Are you then willing to support the Impeachment of Bush?

Because that's what it might take to get to the bottom of it.

Do you value the truth and accurate information over your parties politics?

Step up to the plate - the truth is out there.

[speeder]

I think ya lost him there.

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by kach22i

Okay, so we can get to the truth one way,

Are you then willing to support the Impeachment of Bush?

Because that's what it might take to get to the bottom of it.

Do you value the truth and accurate information over your parties politics?

the truth about the program is common knowledge afaik.

Impeaching Bush is political bs. Political bs is where the $ is. The money is with the far left.

All politics is politics is bs. The only basic truth to civilization is war and economics. That's my truth. That truth determines the flow of civilization.

[kach22i]

Originally posted by RoninLB
the truth about the program is common knowledge afaik.

There we go, a crack in the door way leading to the light of truth.

You are right about one thing; "follow the money" explains a lot, wars included.

[Moneyguy1]

Common knowledge is a very uncommon commodity.

And not to be trusted...


"Everyone knows (fill in the blank) is true"...

[snowman]

Originally posted by Rodeo
...
Or maybe you'll now concentrate on getting yourself those two Carrera GTs. Right.

I had an argument with the wife. She wants the silver one and so do I. Since there is only one silver one and one black one, and neither of us want the black one, we have agreed to disagree and go back to looking at Ferraris.

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1

Common knowledge is a very uncommon commodity.
And not to be trusted...
"Everyone knows (fill in the blank) is true"...

always true when politics is involved.

Knowing where politics exists helps survival+

'ole Pres Andrew Jackson should be in charge of strategic security. He didn't give a shiit about politics afaik.

[RoninLB]

Originally posted by kach22i

There we go, a crack in the door way leading to the light of truth.

sounds like banging a new girlfriend for the first time.

[pwd72s]

FWIW, the lead editorial from the 21 March 2006 Albany (OR) Democrat-Herald Editor's name Hasso Hering...

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Privacy? You’re kidding, right?





If you think your phone calls and e-mail messages are protected from prying ears or eyes, you are mistaken.

For a full account of the technical means of monitoring all electronic communications in and out of this country and around the world, check the current edition of the Atlantic Monthly.

In an article by James Bamford, the magazine explains the technology of communications surveillance. It reports that the National Security Agency “has the ability to eavesdrop on your communications — land lines, cell phones, e-mails, BlackBerry messages, Internet searches, and more — with ease.” And it asks: “What happens when the technology of espionage outstrips the law’s ability to protect ordinary citizens from it?”

In layman’s terms, the NSA has the ability to monitor millions of messages every hour, even every minute. Nobody can listen to all that stuff, so extremely advanced computers are employed to scan the traffic for certain phrases or other bits of information. For example, if some phone number is suspected of having served as a contact for a suspicious person overseas, the system listens for anything connected with that number.

The all-encompassing nature of this electronic sieve may explain why the government hasn’t tried to seek Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants for each particular search. It might have had to file tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of warrants — impossible even for the Washington bureaucracy.

The author of the Atlantic article is an opponent of the surveillance and one of those who have sued to stop it.

Lawsuits arising from all this may answer a fundamental question in a new way. The question is: Does electronic communication through the ether come under the traditional privacy protections? Or is it the modern equivalent of standing on a corner yelling back and forth to someone across the street, so that anybody can hear what you say?

The way people act — using their cell phones in public and speaking loudly and freely about private matters — suggests that many Americans no longer think telephone calls should be private. And technology seems to say the same thing.

As for the rest of us: We should assume that anything we say on the phone network or through the Internet is open to someone else. So if you want to send secrets, pass them on in person or put them in the mail. (hh)

[RoninLB]

I read about NSA using key words to trigger a tap over 10yrs ago.

[Rodeo]

Originally posted by snowman
I had an argument with the wife. She wants the silver one and so do I. Since there is only one silver one and one black one, and neither of us want the black one, we have agreed to disagree and go back to looking at Ferraris.

I think you overplayed you hand ... aren't you late for school?

[snowman]

Possibly