My question is who and how were these illegals and their friends organized?...It was obviously well-orchestrated. Obviously a lot of Mexicans and illegals were lied to to whip them up into a frenzy.

How much you wanna bet it was a leftist organization or organizations?

Tech I don't know where the heck you got a number like 3 to 6 feet of global sea level rise over the next few decades but that is off by few orders of magnitude...


http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/ResourceCenterPublicationsProbability.html

1. Global warming is most likely to raise sea level 15 cm by the year 2050 and 34 cm by the year 2100. There is also a 10 percent chance that climate change will contribute 30 cm by 2050 and 65 cm by 2100. These estimates do not include sea level rise caused by factors other than greenhouse warming.

2. There is a 1 percent chance that global warming will raise sea level 1 meter in the next 100 years and 4 meters in the next 200 years. By the year 2200, there is also a 10 percent chance of a 2-meter contribution, and a 1-in-40 chance of a 3-meter contribution. Such a large rise in sea level could occur either if Antarctic ocean temperatures warm 5°C and Antarctic ice streams respond more rapidly than most glaciologists expect, or if Greenland temperatures warm by more than 10°C. Neither of these scenarios is likely.

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6. Along most coasts, factors other than anthropogenic climate change will cause the sea to rise more than the rise resulting from climate change alone. These factors include compaction and subsidence of land, groundwater depletion, and natural climate variations. If these factors do not change, global sea level is likely to rise 45 cm by the year 2100, with a 1 percent chance of a 112 cm rise. Along the coast of New York, which typifies the United States, sea level is likely to rise 26 cm by 2050 and 55 cm by 2100. There is also a 1 percent chance of a 55 cm rise by 2050 and a 120 cm rise by 2100.

55 cm is 20.5 inches...less than 2 feet in the next 100 years.

Not only that, but it isn't like the sea will rise those 20.5 inches all at once. It will occur slowly and the coastline will change with it. A sea level rise of 3-6 feet over a few decades would be Bilblical in its effect.

As long as a society continues to attract the less educated, less skilled, it will continue to debase that society and lower its overall standards, not raise them. Cali pays one of the lowest per pupil costs for education in K-12 because we have so many illegals with lots of kids and parents who don't pay taxes. So you and I get to pay for their kids "fair share" of the education.

Nobody knows the rate of sea level rise we will experience. The Greenland icecap melt seems to be accelerating beyond all estimates. And the Antarctic ice is also thinning at an alarming rate. Some think there will be a logarithmic rate of rise in sea level. But nobody really knows -- the # of factors involved is staggering.

Anyway, like the Travis Bickle quote, it was hyperbolic.

My point was that these seeming 'crises' will be minor in comparison to what we may face from climate change.

Must not have a lot of repeat customers.

All three have plenty of repeat customers. Actually, it's their experience with unreliable Anglo workers that caused them to hire only Mexicans.

Back on topic:

The March 7th rally outside the U.S. Capitol was organized by the National Capital Immigration Coalition.
The National Capital Immigration Coalition consists of 45 faith, labor, business and community based organizations from Virginia, Maryland and Washington, DC.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/07/AR2006030701673.html

""You do not become American because you're lucky enough to be born of wealthy parents," Rep. James P. Moran (D-Va.) told the crowd, which stretched from the steps leading to the entrance on the Capitol's west side to its reflecting pool below. "You become an American by working hard and providing for your family. By that definition, you are true Americans."

Standing among the throng, Jose Padeaidad, 26, a Rehoboth Beach, Del. chef who emigrated from Guatemala, nodded and said the proposed legislation would make it difficult to help cousins who are not citizens look for jobs and housing."
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Let's see now - among my ideas of what a "true American" is:
...one who is a legal citizen/took the oath of citizenship, speaks English, assimilates into the culture rather than balkanizing US cities and towns, pays taxes, knows who Dale Evans was, is familiar w/the US Constitution and US history, has the power of the vote, is allowed the privilege of a driver's license, and generally doesn't bilk the local, state, and Fed. treasury...etc., ...

IMO, Rep. James P. Moran (D-Va.) is just another career political whore (aren't they all?) looking to remain in office in order to gratify his addiction to Power and Money - the cost of his wet dream is laid on the backs of citizen-taxpayers.
Not only is our citizenship being devalued, our culture being transmogrified, but our tax money is paying for it.
What a deal.
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Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America...

http://uscis.gov/graphics/aboutus/history/teacher/oath.htm

Oath:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
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Folks, we, the taxpaying citizen-voter Americans, are at war with our own gov't. Make no mistake about it!!!
Among what to fear about this fiasco is the sheer numbers of illegal aliens entering the US on a daily basis being granted swift and false citizen status by the career political whores, then voting status.
That's when you will see far more major changes come down.
You ain't seen nuttin' yet. We are losing our country!!!
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I went to high school with a girl named Loretta Sanchez.
After college she got married and took her husband's last name, which BTW was not hispanic.
She ran in several local elections and lost every one of them.
the DMC approached her and told her that if she changed her name back to Sanchez, they could get her elected.
She did, they did, now she is a member of the US congress only because so many latino's in her district (Santa Ana mostly) voted for an hispanic name. She could not get elected with a caucasian name, but with an hispanic name she goes directly to congress with no political experience whatsoever. Nice system.

Loretta Sanchez is a total MILF. Her sister, also a US Rep., is not so hot. Loretta beat B1 Bob Dornan by the slimmest of margins.

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BTW, she did not live in her present district. The way I heard it was that she moved there just before the registration deadline she so she could have a better chance of getting elected. The fact that Bob Dornan was a raving lunatic helped her cause by bringing too much attention to the district and therby, DMC money.
B1 Bob scared the heck out of me and I'm a conservative. What a nut.

Rick, have you seen Ms. Sanchez up close without TV makeup?

You might enjoy:

http://carlosmencia.com

(language NSFW)

quote "Sanchez was born in Lynwood, California and graduated from Katella High School in Anaheim in 1978. She received her undergraduate degree from Chapman University in Orange in 1982, obtained her MBA from American University in Washington, DC in 1984, and was a financial analyst until entering the House.


Entry into Politics
In 1994 she unsuccessfully ran for the Anaheim City Council under her then married name, Loretta Brixey. At the time, she was a registered Republican. After forays into politics as a Republican, she changed parties, recast herself as a moderate Democrat, and dropped her married name in favor of her maiden name Sanchez. Her first election to the House, in what was then the 46th District in 1996, was bitterly fought. The controversial longtime Republican incumbent, Bob Dornan, was targeted as out of touch with his constituency, especially after a distracting run for the 1996 Republican Presidential nomination. The 46th had always had a Democratic tilt, but became even more Democratic after the 1990 census when it received a considerably larger number of Hispanics than had previously been in the district. She won by only 984 votes on the strength of support from Hispanics and blue-collar workers. She became the first Latina to represent an Orange County-based district. Dornan contested the election, alleging that some voters who were registered were not U.S. citizens, but the results were upheld. Sanchez handily defeated Dornan in a 1998 rematch and has not faced truly serious opposition since. Her district was renumbered the 47th District after the 2000 census.

In November 2002, Loretta's younger sister, Linda, was elected for the new 39th District. They are the first pair of sisters to serve simultaneously in the United States Congress"

I spent part of my childhood growing up in Mexico. Know a fair amount about the country and its people. Friend just sent me this and its spot on.

Subject: Try this experiment...!!!!

Move to Mexico??

If you are ready for the adventure of a lifetime, TRY THIS:

Enter Mexico illegally. Never mind immigration quotas, visas, international law, or any of that nonsense.

Once there, demand that the local government provide free medical care for you and your entire family. Demand bilingual nurses and doctors.

Demand free bilingual local government forms, bulletins, etc.

Procreate abundantly.

Deflect any criticism of this allegedly irresponsible reproductive behavior with, "It is a cultural U.S.A. thing. You would not
understand, pal."

Here's a group that's pretty unapologetic about supporting the illegals.
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=62984

Sammy, I haven't seen Sanchez with no make up on (I wish!). But I've passed by her in the hallways a few times and though it was a few yrs. ago, I'd sure hit it.

Funny, true, and it would work the same in other countries besides Mexico.

Folk's get over it..your just upsetting yourself. Bush is even saying ..Only immigrants seeking a better life are coming or are already here. No bad guys or broads to worry about. They didn't break the law, they are misunderstood, and to those that think they did.. his plan will make them just like you, a fine upstanding Citizen, who had better vote Rep.
Beyond disgusted, not disappointed, I still know bullsh#t , is still sh#t..you just know who did it.
Rika

Thom,

To tell the truth, America is the ONLY country in the world who puts up with this crap. Why is a good question but no other question that I know of does this to this extent.

There are limits and believe that we have gone past ours in several areas.

Joe

Why? Why, you ask?
Because Americans are apathetic, that's why.
I doubt that there's a person on this forum who has not watched this fiasco develop for years now.
This is happening because WE are allowing our elected officials to pull it off...that's why.
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Rick Lee: "Here's a group that's pretty unapologetic about supporting the illegals."
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=62984
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Are you kidding? The rhetoric on this site is mild compared to most.
They all use inflammatory language and outright lies to bolster their agenda and to incite support.

Regarding the Minuteman movement:
"This fringe group should not be allowed to further a racist agenda under color of law," said Nelson A. Castillo, HNBA National President, and an immigrant to the United States.
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Then we have our lying, betraying asshat Prez. chiming in:

"President George W. Bush has expressed opposition to the group, labeling them "border vigilantes."
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Like I said previously, we US citizens are at war with our own gov't!!!
"Free" Trade anyone?
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This is NOT about from where the illegal aliens come. This IS about the NUMBERS and the fact that one group of foreigners need not take over our land. Nope...our land, our country, our culture, our language, our tax money is being handed to them by our very own betraying elected officials who are being bought off with money, favors, and the promise of votes.
Who do we see about that?
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Illegal Immigrants Poem

I cross border, poor and broke, Take bus, see employment folk.

Nice man treat me good in there, Say I need to see welfare.

Welfare say, "You come no more, We send cash right to your door."

Welfare checks, they make you wealthy, Medicaid it keep you healthy!

By and by, I got plenty money, Thanks to you, American dummy.

Write to friends in motherland, Tell them 'come fast as you can.'

They come in turbans and Ford trucks, I buy big house with welfare bucks

They come here, we live together, More welfare checks, it gets better!

Fourteen families, they moving in, But neighbor's patience wearing thin.

Finally, white guy moves away, Now I buy his house, and then I say, "Find more aliens for house to rent." And in the yard I put a tent.

Send for family they just trash, But they, too, draw the welfare cash!

Everything is very good, And soon we own the neighborhood.

We have hobby -- it's called breeding, Welfare pay for baby feeding.

Kids need dentist? Wife need pills? We get free! We got no bills!

American crazy! He pay all year, To keep welfare running here.

We think America darn good place! Too darn good for the white man race.

If they no like us, they can scram, Got lots of room in Pakistan.

Another BTW, my anger about illegal immigration is not racially based or anti-Mexican. It is pro-USA.
My father-in-law is Hispanic and immigrated from Mexico LEGALLY.
My mother-in-law immigrated to the US from Russia, through China then here. LEGALLY. Both are US citizens.
My wife is half mexican and two children (who are the best kids in the whole world as far as their daddy is concerned) are 1/4 Mexican by heritage.
Nope, it isn't against Mexico or Mexicans. It is pro-USA.
I love this country and would like to see it stay the USA. If I wanted to live in Mexico I would apply for a visa and move there, but I don't.

I have been to many places in Mexico, From Tijuana to Acapulco, from Juarez to Mexico city. Nice places to visit, but I do not want to live there.
Obviously neither do the immigrants. But if they want to come here instead, they should have to do it LEGALLY!

Illegal immigrants don't get welfare.

Anyone esle see the irony here?

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1143508886.jpg

Any student who walked out of my class would fail the course automatically. Why do people get away with this? I never did.

I was witness to a protest this morning on Highland and Melrose. First warning was a hovering LAPD helicopter. Then, a swarm of squad cars. Finally, a riff-raffish wave of angry young Latinos carrying banners and shouting “La Raza!” For those not in the know, “La Raza” is the term for a Mexican Zionist movement which seeks the “re-conquest” of California and the entire Southwest in the name of Mexico. I noticed these youths were all dressed in hip fashion, looked very well nourished, and, to a glowering boy and girl, flashed cell phones. I was watching this from a tire store with two fellow customers, an Asian and a black, and the Middle-Eastern store manager. Each of us reacted with similar disgust to the spectacle of audacious insult. The black man tried to engage some of the kids, but none was interested. As we watched, two of the kids casually stole the tire store's balloons. The offended manager gave chase but when he caught the two kids, they let go the balloons, laughing in his face. “La Raza”!

And you'd be promptly sued and probably fired. Welcome to 2006.

The media seem to be whitewashing these uncomfortable realities. Where is the coverage of the sea of Mexican flags in their coverage?...I love how the left activist media (read "the top organizations") spin their coverage, intentionally deceiving to push their agenda forward.

Typical leftists.

I think you may be confusing La Raza with Aztlan. The latter is a promotion of 'brotherhood' often spun into a paranoid fantasy of "Mexican takeover" by white separatist groups. La Raza is just a rallying cry for protests like those of the UFW.

National Council of La Raza

http://www.nclr.org/

"La Raza" means "the race"...It suggests racial superiority.

Umm, excuse me Mr. Mexican illegal?...You do know Bush is on your side, don't you?...Of course not, you have been lied to and filled with hate by the Democrats and other more extreme socialists.

http://chicago.indymedia.org/usermed...8/22365104.jpg

And the full slogan: Por la Raza todo. Fuera de la Raza nada (“For our race everything. For those outside our race, nothing.).

Well it is rather obvious that you do not work for the left media.

I don't see what this has to do with fastpat.

Yes, it can have multiple meanings -- more and less militant -- by different groups. But the word is, in all cases, essentially separatist. And "La Raza" is increasingly used as shorthand not only for Moviemento Estudiantil Chicana de Aztlan, known as "MEChA," or "Aztlan," but to La Raza Unida, which sees itself as a Palestine state within America, destined to one day reclaim itws own native land.

As to its sense of "brotherhood", no spin or paranoia is required to understand the calls for "physical liberation" and "secession," for “a people from a bronze culture,” dispossessed by the “brutal ‘gringo’”. And to their claim that “Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to foreign Europeans." That is, "we do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent.” These protestors are well-represented in the current goings-on.

Can someone from Cali tell me how an illegal immigrant gets to send their kids to a public school? I guess if the kid is born here, hence a citizen thats one way. But what about the kids that aren't citizens?

Any kid in California is entitled to go to school, illegal or not.
A family can sneak across the border on Monday and their kids can be in public school on Tuesday, paid for by the rest of us. The schools are required to teach them in spanish if they do not speak english.

Several years ago the voters in California passed a bill that would make it illegal for an undocumented alien to go to public school or to be eligible for public assistance, but the bleeding heart liberal judges on the California supreme court ruled it as unconstitutional.

Villarigosa (Mayor of Los Angeles) is a member of a racist Mexican group called 'MEChA'. Listen or read his speech scaring and inciting the Mexican youth with rhetoric founded in liberal lies and you will get one piece to the puzzle. Mexican illegals get free school and just about everything else our Democrat inspired welfare state allows to those whom vote Democrat (in fact if they begin filing taxes they lose many privileges)...Illegals and poverty are the Democrat garden, they fertilize it with the money of the productive, and grow dependence and therefore votes.

Feinstein has a new plan, on the eve of the manufactured illegal alien rallies in Los Angeles. She wants something like 1.5 million more farm workers...That is her goal and stated policy. Surely she is just jumping on the white horse of political grandstanding, but it seems insulting to the Mexican people...Doesn't she know they are exploited by the capitalists they work for?...Doesn't she know they get paid slave wages?...Feinswine is a hypocrite and a liar.

It is the Democrats who are promoting slave labor. It is the Democrats that are constructing a state where the illegals are enslaved and the hard working are enslaved to pay for the indigent.