Imigration protests today
 

I'm sure most of you have heard about the protests scheduled today in support of illegal imigration.

Well there is one more scheduled, hopefully it will be the biggest one of all.
It starts in San Diego and heads due south for about 20 miles, then stops and does not come back.
If you support illegal imigration, please consider this a personal invitation to attend.
heck, I will even sponsor you ;)

Re: Imigration protests today
 

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Mexico should be charged a million bucks for each illegal to cover voter expense.

I saw we go rent a bunch of Home Depot trucks, pile 'em all in, and drive 'em all back home?...Who is in?

The federal lawmakers are mulling over a new bill that would put some teeth into the already existing imigration laws.

Examples of the what the bill contains are if you are a convicted fellon and an illegal imigrant, you would be deported. if you are an illegal imigrant and you have three or more DUI convictions, you would be deported. I can see why they would protest that, not!

It seems as if half of Mexifornia is protesting it. Guess which half.
On the way to work this morning i saw 6 cars with protest banners or slogans in the rear window or on the sides. Everyone of the vehicles was full. The news channels are showing droves of protesters who think that the borders should be opened up to anyone who wants to cross and not a caucasion anywhere in sight.

I guess the United states should hand over everything we own to the rest of the world including the keys to our cars and houses too.

I personally know a man who came into this country illegally, got a job, and soon after went on disability due to back problems.
He went back to Mexico and lived like a king on taxpayer money until the workman's comp checks ran out, then he snuck back to the US and started the cycle again. Evidently it is a very common scam in southern California.

I'm not saying that other people can't have something, I'm saying they can't have something if I earned it and it is mine!

I put my kids in a private school because the public schools are so messed up around here. A large percentage of the kids don't speak english so the public schools have to teach everything in English and spanish. Great. Half the time they are learning, half the time they are not. Good plan.

I want better for my kids so I pay $800 a month for a private school, plus I still have to pay taxes to support the schools so kids who are here illegally or are the children of illegal imigrants can take their place and hold back everyone else.

A wall in my neighborhood got tagged last weekend. It is the ony graffiti I have ever seen in that neighborhood and I have lived there for 12 years.
i can't tell you what the gang style graffiti says but I can tell you it is not written in english.

To the last US citizen leaving california: please take down the flag as you leave. :mad:

I'm an immigrant. I came here legally, and have paid the immigration service over $2k in fees. I have a job, and pay taxes. Lots of taxes, yet I cannot vote. English is my first language (I am English) so I do not expect others to cater to my language. What do I think? I think those who either enter, work or live in the US illegally should be made felons, deported and tagged so that they cannot re-enter the US.

There, I said it!

Cheers,

Paul.

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I just recently found out that illegal immigrants are allowed to claim dependants that live in Mexico so they get back all the taxes they have paid in for the year and still take advantage of all public assistance offered by the local government . Someone metioned deporting them after 3 dui's , the problem with that is they have fake id and you won't catch the same name and id 3 times . A good friend of mine from England gained citizenship a few years ago and I think it would a crime to change immigration laws to make it easier after hearing what my friend went through . I'll bet if everyone was willing to pay a couple of dollars more for their fast food meal you would find out cheap labor isn't so important .

for once I agree. in another 20 years, this country will be renamed AMEXICA

That can't happen , thank god for a two term limit.

Nicely put Paul! http://www.pelicanparts.com/support/smileys/clap.gif

i smell a stromberg appearance. SmileWavy

Seems to me they could have run down there with a bunch of busses and saved a lot of taxpayer dollars. I am all for immigration, dead set against illegal immigration. The media should be compelled to put "illegal immigration" rather than " immigration" every time they do a story on this(For example, you have a typo in the title of your thread, it should be" Illegal immigration protests"). Public sentiment of legal voters is very strongly against illegal immigration.

Personally, I would like to know if we are just not going to enforce our laws, because if that will be the case, I am done paying taxes, all of them.

What needs to happen is a massive taxpayer revolt along these lines, it's the only thing that I can imagine really getting our government's attention. We have been completely neglected by our leaders on this issue, they have simply chosen not to enforce immigration law. All of the arguments in favor of illegal Mexican immigration are bullschit, every one of them. A labor shortage in this country is an impossibility, an absolute insult to the intelligence of a slug. There is an unlimited quantity of people who want to come here, we could always let in as many as our economy needs and control who we let in, which is the sovereign right of all nations.

Why should Mexicans get every available immigration spot + 10 million?? They say that they came here to work as if they are doing us a favor. One of the protesters, in an almost unbelievable display of ignorance and ingratitude declared that "this country (USA) would be nothing w/o immigrants".... If she were referring to the millions who came here legally and actually built the entire country before she got here, she would be correct. An endless flood of cheap, illegal labor benefits no one in the U.S. except for the illegals and their relatives back in Mexico.

I would be in favor of a law that severely restricts non-citizens from transferring $$ out of the U.S., plus all of the enforcement measures currently on the table and then some.

Signed, a "liberal". :mad:

My wife is from India, now a US citizen.

We followed the law, and spent 5 VERY irritating years dealing with INS. I think people should follow the law.

HOWEVER, all of this 'deport them all' crap is just that: crap.

We need to take a serious look at the function of illegals in society, and deal with economic reality.

Oddly, Bush almost sounds like the voice of moderation in this whole mess.

No, you are wrong, illegal is illegal is illegal. What part of this do people NOT understand? The "function" as you put it is that they are draining our resources. Thier contributions working the fields and washing dishes does not compare to what they are taking....

I recomend open season with no bag limits!

Good friend of mine married a woman from Korea, beautiful, brilliant, seriously I don't understand what she sees in him. It took them two years after they were married to get her here. The entire time, he sent every penny he had to her so she could invest it overseas. They paid no taxes on her income, and the investment income and it cost Uncle Sucker a chunk of dough. When her paperwork finally came through, my buddy says to the guy, "Great, now where is the nearest welfare office?" He was kidding, but the clerk went pale. The people most angry about illegal immigration are the legal immigrants

I don't know that we need these new laws as much as we simply need to enforce the existing. Right now we aren't adding teeth to laws we don't enforce really doesn't make a difference.

Illegal is just that.

Hmmm.

I think a citizenship status check should be done on all the 'protesters'.

I was watching Georgie Steponallofus' (Clinton's boy turned objective ABC journalist) show with Tom Tancredo (Republican) and Arlen Specter (half-breed) this morning...Tom was calling for real solutions to immigration. Specter was rationalizing ILLEGAL immigration with the BS "we are a national of immigrants...blah blah blah," obviously using that to justify his weak stance on immigration. Tancredo's plan suggests a 700 mile "fence" (lefties like to call it a "wall" because it conjours images of Berlin), Specter thought we should not use a wall, instead use drones and other ineffective technology strategies to APPEAR tough on immigration...Specter was obviously running defense for ILLEGAL immigration.

The neo-cons (patsy's term duh jour) are for illegal immigrants, including Bill Christol, John McCainiac, Arlen Specter, GW Bush...Bottom line: With the media, Democrats and pseudo-Republicans FOR illegal immigrants, nothing will be done.

ABC (Wo)man on the street interview during the protest:

"...Maria - who doesn't want her last name used as she is in the US illegally..."

'Nuff said.

The local neo-Klan radio station in L.A. claims yesterday's downtown demonstration was a half million strong.

That's probably about a third of the employed "illegals" in Los Angeles.

One result of toughened border controls is that there are more than usual here, since they can no longer risk going home -- as most do, for 2-3 months of the year.

It's always stuck me as wrongheaded that employers are given a pass for offering the jobs that bring people here in the first place. But then, employers vote, don't they.

"When did you ever see a Mexican blow up the World Trade Center? Who do you think built the World Trade Center?" said David Gonzalez, 22, who marched in Los Angeles with a sign that read, "I'm in my homeland.'"

I didnt know Mexicans built the World Trade Center.
hmmm.....

Probably so. They build a lot of stuff all over the country. I have contractor friends who will only hire Mexicans.

And as Carlos Mencia says: if they build a wall on the Mexico border, guess who's going to do the work?

People really live in a fantasy world if they think immediate deportation of all illegals wouldn't throw this country into an instant depression. That's a key reason it won't be supported by either major party.

under that reasoning, let's open up the borders and let them all in. :eek:


who else is going to build our stuff?

Who is going to pick the fruit?

Who is going to wash the dishes?

I am NOT saying its ok for illegals to be here, but no one seems to answer this question.

I can answer that question effortlessly. There will never be a shortage of people to wash dishes, pick fruit, or any other job. We can legally import all of the people we want if necessary. The argument that dirty dishes is a rationale for uncontrolled, massive illegal immigration is insulting to the intelligence of a slug, as are all of the rest of the lame excuses.

People come here because we are a 1st world country that borders the 3rd world. Do I blame the Mexicans? No, I blame the U.S. for allowing it. We could have a fair, humane policy of allowing legal immigration from Mexico and the rest of latin America that does not resemble the current man-made disaster.

WTF do people think that immigration laws exist?? Maybe so that 10 million desperate people do not just flood in and lower the wages and quality of life for everyone else? Nah...

Mexicans and others come here for the $$, period. Not to do us a favor by washing some dishes. Someone should ask these activists what they think the U.S. was like 30 years ago. Piles of dirty dishes everywhere? Filthy toilets? Overgrown lawns? The stupidity of the pro-illegal arguments is pretty appalling. I'd have more respect if they were honest. Not much, but a little.

And anyone who believes that Mexicans built the WTC towers is beyond hope. :cool:

How about all the US citizens on welfare doing the picking and washing?
Let em work for their food stamps and free checks. Either that or starve. No more free lunches.

According to the experts, an estimated 100,000 illegal imigrants cross the California/Mexico border each year, and that is what I consider a very conservative estimate.
Ist step, stop all illegal imigration now. Stop it completely before this state and eventually this country is ruined. After we do that, we debate the people who's mere presence in this country constitutes a violation of law.
Suppose we eliminate the quarter million illegals coming into this country every year, then triple the number of legals who are allowed in.
Everybody wins.
I do not want to live in Tijuana or Juarez, but if the current trend contunues that is basically what Southern California will become. It is well on the way already. I can name several communities around here
that were once concidered very desirable places to live, but now have a large illegal imigrant population and no one in their right mind would dare walk the sidewalks in those areas at night any more.
It is only a matter of time unless something changes soon.

The bs cheap job issue that only the Mexicans will do that sort of work is a capitalist scam followed by Bush and the rest of the party. Any serious discussion among economic thinkers leads to a 5-10% addition in produce. The length of time that increase would be effective is considered short to medium term. The other cheap labor jobs issue is unworthy of serious discussion.

The underlying prob is that the Mexican gov't has 100yrs of inefficient baggage to drag around in it's economic modeling.

The strategic reasoning is that the US is a blow off valve for poor young Mexican males. If they weren't trying to get over here they would be inciting a revolution.

Mexico should be charged $1,000,000 for each legal expat. Mexico should be charged for keeping their gangsters in US prisons. Mexico should put their oil reserves drilling rights up for collateral.

Although liberal on many issues, I strongly disagree with the protestors on this issue.

Legal immigration should be encouraged and illegal immigration stopped. Border controls should be greatly strengthened. Employers should be forced to verify workers' legal status, on pain of severe penalties. Legitimate business needs for low-wage labor should be distinguished from illegitimate needs, and addressed with legal guest worker programs. Guest workers who play by the rules for a long time (decades) and integrate into American society should be rewarded with green cards or citizenship, while those who don't should be barred from entry, work, benefits, and if necessary imprisoned.

One challenge is that the federal government will have to create a reliable system for actually verifying a worker's legal status, meaning a huge IT project that needs to actually work.

I just hope that the size of that protest march in L.A. doesn't scare the little gutless politicians in DC, if anything it highlights the scope of the problem. I'm surprised that it wasn't bigger, we have millions of them here. Really.

This is truly the last chance for the U.S. to draw a line in the sand, the barn door has been open for a long time and the horses are gone, talking about locking it a little in the future ain't gonna cut it. We American's have a stupid habit of ignoring issues until it is way too late to effectively deal w/ them, I hope for any improvement on this one. It's a nightmare.

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When a camera is present, the dumbest person in the room will always find it. Case in point this morning on GMA. They were doing a story on Duplin County, North Carolina, which is right down the road from me. And yes they do have a large immigrant population, a large portion of which I am sure is here illegally. Well this old coot said "Let 'em come legal. Those that are here illegal, shoot 'em. … Get 'em on a bus, do whatever, get rid of 'em," said Emell Coggens, a local resident." Well so much for me telling people that North Carolina is not Cracker Ville. This sounded like something that would come out of Slo Pat. I agree that something needs to be done, but shoot em, come on. Just my .02. From a local resident.

How about Mexican immigrants who are here legally?

Why do people think only ILLEGALS will perfrom these tasks?

Well, look on the bright side: we'll get to start all over when the ocean levels rise 3-6 feet in the next few decades.

I don't have a map of So Cal with this factored in, but here's Manhattan.

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A Columbia University study concluded that as sea levels rise, large parts of Lower Manhattan including Battery Park City, part of the World Trade Center site, and the Seaport will experience 10-foot floods after large storms.

"Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets."
-- Travis Bickle

Funny - most of that in Green is reclaimed land.

Travis was right, and the real rain's name was Rudy.

Back to immigration - fast forward to the future - and think about when a generation of workers that has toiled in low productivity jobs starts looking for full SSI and medicare.

Complain all you want about Walmart - we are not going to be stuck with overseas factory workers retirement costs.

Move along, nothing going to happen, we didn't enforce the last set of laws..which if enforced NOW would solve it ! So this comedy will be no different. New laws are funny,enforcement even funnier. Think Russia, and one day..we will split up..they get the West coast,East coast, and you need to figure out how to sneak int OZ.
Rika

I don't know the source, but I heard on a radio show that Mexico's #2 source of money (after their oil revenue) is the money Mexicans in the US send home to their relatives. This needs to stop as well. As it is, Vicente Fox has every incentive to help Mexicans get into the US and zero incentive to help us on the border issues.