Mexican Flag Burned in Arizona

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[FrayAdjacent911]

Well, putting the Mexican flag ABOVE the US flag on US soil, is pretty offensive to me. Burning a flag is 'protected free speech' in the US. No public institution, like a public school, should allow another nation's flag to fly above our flag.

If the 'Mexicans' that are in the US don't like it... they can always go to Mexico.

I'm all for legal immigration. I think we need a good system to allow migrant workers to come to the US for measured periods of time and work. We should also allow migrants to become US citizens if they meet the requirements that other immigrants have.

[Don Ro]

Naturalization
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http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/index.htm
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Welcome to the naturalization home page. Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is conferred upon a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The general requirements for administrative naturalization include:

-a period of continuous residence and physical presence in the United States;
-residence in a particular USCIS District prior to filing;
-an ability to read, write, and speak English;
-a knowledge and understanding of U.S. history and government;
-good moral character;
-attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution; and,
-favorable disposition toward the United States.
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-favorable disposition toward the United States.

I choose #2. Puts everyone on equal footing.

[Burnin' oil]

Originally posted by Don Ro
Naturalization
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http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/natz/index.htm
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Welcome to the naturalization home page. Naturalization is the process by which U.S. citizenship is conferred upon a foreign citizen or national after he or she fulfills the requirements established by Congress in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The general requirements for administrative naturalization include:

-a period of continuous residence and physical presence in the United States;
-residence in a particular USCIS District prior to filing;
-an ability to read, write, and speak English;
-a knowledge and understanding of U.S. history and government;
-good moral character;
-attachment to the principles of the U.S. Constitution; and,
-favorable disposition toward the United States.

-favorable disposition toward the United States.

Racist!

[Joeaksa]

What does everyone feel would have happened had the American flag been raised in Mexico? France?

It has gone too far but the latinos need to realize that this is America, and they need to be Americans, or return to Mexico. IMHO...

[BBaker_Biggs]

Originally posted by Burnin' oil
Racist!

that's quite something, and with an exclamation point. i don't see it, myself. care to explain?
what i see is a post showing this nation's naturalization protocol and a photo showing disrespect for our country. what's the beef?

[Don Ro]

Originally posted by Burnin' oil
Racist!

Well now...I go away for awhile, come back to find a grenade in the tent...and you've run off.
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Burnin' oil: "Seldom Seen Member"

[rcecale]

Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Randy

[speeder]

I think that Burnin' oil just leaves off the winky face. He's a pretty funny guy.

And Joe, I'm against illegal immigration 100%, but you need to get your terminology right: Mexico is in America. Mexicans are Americans.

Mexico is in America, not Africa or Asia. And according to the illegals, America is in Mexico. But that's another thread.

[red-beard]

Yes, we are Los Estados Unitos de Norde America. They are: Los Estados Unitos de Mexico.

[Don Ro]

"Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907."
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I've been reading that a lot lately. Goose bumps, eh? Love it!
Quite the contrast...given today's castrated "leaders" on the take.
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Originally posted by rrpjr
This issue is becoming defining to me. It goes to the heart of the corruption, cowardice and decadence of our politics. A true leader would explain to us the seriousness of this problem, the consequences of dealing with it, and then he would deal with it -- and accept the slings and arrows. In the end, he would win the respect of the people who matter -- average Americans, including immigrants.

[red-beard]

I wish it were defining, now. Unforetunately, it's been defining for sometime. I am reaching the point where I can no longer vote for the lesser of two evils.

[rrpjr]

Originally posted by rcecale
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Randy

Great quotes, Randy, yesterday and today.

[wcc]

This is the ONLY Country that will allow buring of it's own flag. There is where the problem starts. I personally think that if they don't like it (any country) FUC! THEM! I married an Italian girl that was born here but her parents are immagrents (they are all VERY greatful they are here) and one is a citizen and the other still under the green card. Every time I hear a complaint from a Canadians, Mexicans, (other) Italians, Africans, and Middle Easterners I always say the same thing "If this SUCKS here in the USA then why did you come here? You can always go back." I've even offered to pay thier way back when I hear that BS and NOBODY has ever taken it. So I tell them "TO SHUT YOUR fuc!in' MOUTH!" I say that USA needs to stop running around trying to be everyones friend and do what we NEED to do here. I'm just SICK to my stomache of people coming here and complaining when it is 10 times worse in the Country they left.

EVERYTIME there is a natural disastor or a major problem MOST Countries look to the USA. Then when it's coming to an end they say that the USA wasn't the best. Well where were the other Countries? But when the USA has a problem where do we look? NO WHERE! We have Earthquakes, Tornados, Floods, etc and there is very little help if any. Who stepped up with Pearl Harbor? Who stepped up with the World Trade Center? Who stepped up with Natural Disators? Whoever did wasn't worth mentioning cause what they did wasn't worth *****.

It's funny you people that blame bush for the debt for Iraq war are the same people that complain about the National debt but won't say ANYTHING about the DEBT that we accumulated by helping out Countries that don't GIVE A ***** about us. In war or not MOST of the Countries we help could care less if we were attacked or not. As an American I could care less if it was Reb or Dem in office, if we didn't respond to the 911 attackes we would be considered PU$$IES throughout the world and become more of a target.

I almost feel defeated by our own people, which is SAD. Where is the LOYALTY to the USA. It won't be long and there won't be a USA the way things are going. It'll be "Come here and do and say whatever the HE!! you feel like doing and complain when it doesn't workout your way Country!"

I REALLY feel bad for the what my kids are going to see in their life time here in the USA.

Ok, well I'm done with my Rant now. I could go on but what's the point.......... All you Liberals think a HUG can fix EVERYTHING.....

Sorry for the long post, but good job for burning Mexico's flag!

[Dottore]

Originally posted by rcecale
Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.

"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Randy

Albert Schweitzer once remarked: "nationalism is an infantile disorder: the measels of mankind".

It is ridiculous to suggest that a recent immigrant from wherever should become "in every facet an American and nothing but an American". As anyone who is or knows immigrants will tell you, their loyalties will be divided for life.

It is interesting to contrast the Canadian approach to this with the American. Canadian immigration policy has always been at pains to recognize, accomodate and celebrate the rich ethnic mix of our immigrants. The notion that "any man who says he is an American but something else also, isn't an American at all" is totally absurd in a Canadian context - as of course it is "de facto" in an American context.

Immigrants will always have divided loyalties - and that is as it should be. By choosing to live in America, an immigrant is already making a more considered statement about his loyalties that someone born in America fortuitously - and that choice alone is worthy of respect.

[Tervuren]

Originally posted by Dottore
Albert Schweitzer once remarked: "nationalism is an infantile disorder: the measels of mankind".

It is ridiculous to suggest that a recent immigrant from wherever should become "in every facet an American and nothing but an American". As anyone who is or knows immigrants will tell you, their loyalties will be divided for life.

It is interesting to contrast the Canadian approach to this with the American. Canadian immigration policy has always been at pains to recognize, accomodate and celebrate the rich ethnic mix of our immigrants. The notion that "any man who says he is an American but something else also, isn't an American at all" is totally absurd in a Canadian context - as of course it is "de facto" in an American context.

Immigrants will always have divided loyalties - and that is as it should be. By choosing to live in America, an immigrant is already making a more considered statement about his loyalties that someone born in America fortuitously - and that choice alone is worthy of respect.

Hi - I've read lots of books in my life, written by immigrants. In all of them, they came here, and whether they liked what they found or not, they set themselves to be American's. They took on the American flag as a flag to be proud of, rather then to be set under their old one. They did their best to learn the English language, and they put their loyalty into the new country.

This does not mean, that their customs, etc, instantly changed, or that it was demanded. They still retained the strong characteristics of where they where from. If you notice, there are three points in that speech. Flag(Image), Loyalty, and learning the country's universal language.

Every American, including the "indians", ancestor's immigrated here. In my case, I keep my family background in mind, but do not consider myself to be "German", but rather, "American".

[Dottore]

That is the difference I was trying to highlight. In Canada immigrants are encouraged to think of themsleves as Germans, Chinese, Lithuanian etc AND Canadian.

There is nothing in this country's constitution or immigration policy etc that would commit anyone to the absurd and counterintuitive position set forth in the quote attributed to Teddy Roosevelt above.

I mean just talk to any immigrant - and the sillyness of the Roosevelt quote will be clear. That is just not how it is.

[wcc]

Originally posted by Dottore
Immigrants will always have divided loyalties - and that is as it should be. By choosing to live in America, an immigrant is already making a more considered statement about his loyalties that someone born in America fortuitously - and that choice alone is worthy of respect.

What? Fuc! that respect you're after! You choose to live in America you live by our rules and forefathers rules. If you have a "divided" loyalty then you should be sent back! Once you "Believe" that the USA is for "you" then you need to become a Citizen. Once you become a CITIZEN then you have more say in the matter (VOTE). Otherwise, if you are sort of here and sort of there, I say you need to stay there till you decide!

BTW, I know a plenty of Canadians, Mexicans, Middle Easterners, Italians, Blacks and Chinese, and you know what? (they agree) They should follow the USA rules, regulations, and guidelines. I wonder why they think like that?

[wcc]

Originally posted by Dottore
That is the difference I was trying to highlight. In Canada immigrants are encouraged to think of themsleves as Germans, Chinese, Lithuanian etc AND Canadian.

There is nothing in this country's constitution or immigration policy etc that would commit anyone to the absurd and counterintuitive position set forth in the quote attributed to Teddy Roosevelt above.

I mean just talk to any immigrant - and the sillyness of the Roosevelt quote will be clear. That is just not how it is.

What? Canada is more Liberal! I think you NEED to re-read his quote and open your mind!!!! I'm married basically to an immigrant! And the way I read it is anyone that comes here and becomes a Citizen has the same rights as anyone born here based on the fact that his LOYALTY is with the USA. Which I don't 100% agree with but that's a different argument....

While you're at it learn how to spell!

themsleves=themselves
Sillyness=Silliness