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Jared at Pelican Parts 04-05-2006 06:15 PM

Check out what i just picked up for $1500
 
Rebuilt engine and tranny, smooth and sleek

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1144289618.jpg

cantdrv55 04-05-2006 06:23 PM

$1500? That's a steal, no?

jorian 04-05-2006 06:38 PM

Wow. Smokin deal. A buddy has one and spent more than that refreshing his rear bumper!

Aurel 04-05-2006 06:48 PM

Sweet. How many miles on the chassis ?

Aurel

Don Plumley 04-05-2006 06:50 PM

Steal. You could sell parts for way more than that...

masraum 04-05-2006 07:23 PM

Sweet, the 635 csi was my favorite when I was 16. It's still a damn cool car.

Jeff Higgins 04-05-2006 07:36 PM

Is the other side caved in or something?:p

Jared at Pelican Parts 04-05-2006 07:40 PM

nope, very clean. 40,000 on rebuild.

Anyone know whats involved in swapping in a manual?

Porsche-O-Phile 04-05-2006 08:02 PM

Damnation. He got any more at that price?

Jared at Pelican Parts 04-05-2006 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoCal911SC
i've done the swap before, very easy.

you just need all the parts from a donor car. once you have all the parts, it's not much more work than doing a clutch replacement.

in a nutshell, you just change the flywheel to a manual flywheel, install manual trans and clutch like normal. You also need a driveshaft from a manual car since it's a different length.

you need the pedal box from the manual car, it just swaps right in. the clutch slave is attached to it, you just run a stock line from the brake fluid reservoir to feed the slave.

the only thing that isn't strictly bolt on/bolt off is a bracket to hold the shifter console in the center tunnel. That needs to be cut off the donor car. It can be welded onto your car, or bolted in. I simply bolted it in. All it does is hold the end of the shifter console in place, no biggy.

you have to rewire the trigger for the reverse lights. it was simple, although I don't remember the details. basically, you just jump a wire.

that's it. i did the conversion in one day in my garage working alone.

transforms the car. they are kinda doggy with their slushy automatics, but are very fun to drive with a 5 speed.

rough price? I figure that I should swap a manual in with all the money i've just saved.

M.D. Holloway 04-05-2006 08:13 PM

Didn't you just get a Datson not long ago? Very nice car BTW - if it was silver it would look like the car in Moonlighting starring Cybil Shepard and Bruce Willis!

Jared at Pelican Parts 04-05-2006 08:33 PM

yep, the datsun was sold to pay for this.

Has an awesome red/black interior that is nearly perfect as well. Red leather seats with red trim on the black doorpanels. Looks really cool

fastpat 04-05-2006 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jared Fenton
nope, very clean. 40,000 on rebuild.

Anyone know whats involved in swapping in a manual?

Yes.

What year?

Jared at Pelican Parts 04-05-2006 09:26 PM

its an 85

HardDrive 04-05-2006 09:51 PM

Thats an insane deal. The old 6 series were great looking cars.

Jared at Pelican Parts 04-06-2006 03:25 AM

it has a few issues, but nothing major

1. the speedo seems to fluctuate and not go past 80MPH, not sure if it's the speedo or the sender. it seems like it's strugging to get up there and the needle just wobbles a few mm in either direction. odometer also does not work, although he does have reciepts from N. Hollywood speedo for a previous fix. anyone have any ideas?

2. It needs a valve adjustment, probably a new O2 sensor as well. Overall it runs strong, but it needs a general tune up

3. new stereo/speakers are a given, while not in bad shape, they do sound old.

4. new accelerator cable, as the old one is stretched pretty bad, and doesnt have much adjustment left in it.

Jared at Pelican Parts 04-06-2006 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SoCal911SC

Finally, there are 3 different types of manuals used from 83 to 89, and 2 different types of shifter console/mechanisms (sheet metal in early, aluminum in later). I chose to use the latest version trans (forgot what it's called) and aluminum console. These are used in 86-89.

The 5 speed should be the same from the E30, right? As far as the clutch and flywheel, those should be the same as well, right? Id just need to match the pin for the motronic.

I may have a lead on a complete 5 speed from a 325 with linkage

Jeff Higgins 04-06-2006 05:22 AM

Dang. Were you holding a gun to his head? Did you have "pictures" he didn't want to get out? I'm trying to get to the bottom of this...

fastpat 04-06-2006 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jared Fenton
its an 85
Good, that's one that shares many components with an E28, and is much more solid than the earlier ones. There were two years that were better, '88 and '89, but only the engines which had later fuel/ignition management systems.

There's a Sharkfest scheduled next month, you should consider going to it. Even if you can't bring your car, you'll learn alot about it. There's also the Big Coupe Group who have a lot of info.

Doing the manual tranny swap is moderately challenging, but many have done it. It's identical to doing the job on an E28.
The manual transmission swap into an automatic equipped car.


Picture of what you need:
http://www.terrysaytherauto.com/TransConv.htm

fastpat 04-06-2006 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jared Fenton
The 5 speed should be the same from the E30, right? As far as the clutch and flywheel, those should be the same as well, right? Id just need to match the pin for the motronic.

I may have a lead on a complete 5 speed from a 325 with linkage

The E30 five speed bolts to the M20 engine, not the M30 engine in your sixer. If you want a 3.73 ratio limited slip you can get that from a six cylinder E30, changing to the E28 diff cover and stub axles is all that's required for that.

Z-man 04-06-2006 07:10 AM

Jared: Nice catch. Pretty car.

While I like the 650csi's, I like the 850 coupes of the 90's a little more...

But with the $$ I sink into my Porsche, I don't have to worry about seeing either in my driveway! :eek:

arcsine 04-06-2006 08:55 AM

I had a 635csi for a while and loved it. It was a very impressive handling/highway crusing car for something that is pretty big and plush. My only issues were the metric wheels with crap Michelin tires (swapped out for some 16" BMW wheels and yokahamas) and I could not fit in it.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1141791133.jpg

At $1500 with a rebuild, you really cannot go wrong with yours. Congratulations.

wludavid 04-06-2006 09:31 AM

When you do your manual swap, put a 3.73 LSD in there and sell your stock 3.25 to someone with a 3.25e or S50-swapped e30. I just put a 3.25 in my eta and it really wakes it up.

austin552 04-06-2006 10:10 AM

I want to meet the guy you bought it from! Got some Louisiana property I need to sell before hurricane season.

TerryBPP 04-06-2006 10:21 AM

Get rid of that slush box ASAP. 80's auto trannys are known to be junk. I went through 2 in a year in my 85' 735i. At the tune of $1500 a rebuild.

I believe the m20 is a 260 getrag and the m30 is a 265 getrag. Not the same bellhousing pattern.

Nice find BTW. FYI, the 85' has the lowest compression at 8:1. Which makes it ideal for turbocharging. :D


If your interested I have a 3.73 out of a 85' 535is. Should bolt righht up.

wludavid 04-06-2006 10:39 AM

Jared, does your car have the refrigerator in the back seat? I swear that was an actual option - I saw one on a friend's car. I guess it might have just been an icebox though...

Jared at Pelican Parts 04-06-2006 12:16 PM

nope, although my friends 635 has the fridge. For bottles o win

Basicaly, i got it cheap because it has a problem with the DME and the fuel injection which shouldnt be too hard to remedy. I actually have a spare DME for the car anyway..

Seriously looking into the manual swap. Anyone have any parts I'd need for it?

The auto box is literally brand new, have all the invoices for the parts that rebuilt it. THe owners father was a ZF specialist, so I can probably imagine it wil be good for a while

RickM 04-06-2006 01:24 PM

Here's an excellent forum for your E24.... http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e24/


BTW, Autozone has free repair info online. Not for Porsche but a few other manufacturers. Here's for the 6 series: http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?UseCase=RG001&UserAction=processModel&Par ameters=025

List of guides: http://www.autozone.com/servlet/UiBroker?UseCase=RG001&UserAction=beginRepairGuide

DeutschMark 04-07-2006 06:20 AM

I had a black '85 e24 myself. Nice car but very heavy. The instrument cluster in these cars usually start doing crazy things after the NiCads for the service interval board leak.

The 3.73 LSD is by far the best modification you can make. It is inexpensive and does wonders for acceleration and flexibility. I found one on ebay for around $150.

fastpat 04-07-2006 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeutschMark
I had a black '85 e24 myself. Nice car but very heavy. The instrument cluster in these cars usually start doing crazy things after the NiCads for the service interval board leak.

The 3.73 LSD is by far the best modification you can make. It is inexpensive and does wonders for acceleration and flexibility. I found one on ebay for around $150.

Yep, the SI board in the instrument cluster has nicads that go bad, and can be replaced without too much trouble. Some folks add a remote battery holder to ease changeout in the future.

You should check your diff ratio, you may have either a 3.46 or 3.64 in the car from the factory, plus limited slips were common in sixer's, which means you can get more on the used market if you sell the diff no matter what the ratio is. Typical used prices vary between $200-400 depending on the source. Limited slips have a large "S" stamped on the diff, but it's on top and almost impossible to see with the diff in the car. The diff is stamped

You'll probably enjoy the car a lot more with a five speed and at least a 3.46 diff, and the 3.64 or 3.73 would be much better.

Another interesting Six'er web site. The black car has 17" BMW Style 5 wheels on it.
http://www.bmwworld.com/driving/iceland.htm

Jared at Pelican Parts 04-07-2006 10:18 PM

some more pictures of her.. funny thing is, now that I've re-adjusted the kickdown cable, it really isnt that bad in terms of acceleration. Ideally, i'd prefer the manual, but for now, i'm kinda happy with how smooth it runs

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1144477010.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1144477023.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1144477035.jpg http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1144477048.jpg

fastpat 04-08-2006 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jared Fenton
Some more pictures of her.. funny thing is, now that I've re-adjusted the kickdown cable, it really isnt that bad in terms of acceleration. Ideally, i'd prefer the manual, but for now, i'm kinda happy with how smooth it runs.
http://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploa...1144477035.jpg

You have a realy nice example, Jared, that car looks to be no more than 5-10 years old, and well taken care of at that. That looks like you have a Cardinal Red (same as my E28), or maybe Cherry interior . You can run your VIN through the BMW VIN Decoder to find the equipment list. There are, by the way, several steering wheels you can install, like P-cars, there's tons of optional things to retrofit if you're of that mind. I have a later E34 M-tech steering wheel in my 535is, the last of the non-air bag wheels.
http://images3.fotki.com/v36/photos/...nterior-vi.jpg

You might also get lucky, since that car was well taken care of, BMW used to put the build sheet under the back seat, wrapped around the seat springs and stapled together. It was still there in my E28, but not in my E30.

DeutschMark 04-08-2006 05:43 AM

Jared, when you adjust your valves make sure the bolts on the camshaft oil sprayer bar are torqued to spec. I see your engine was rebuilt, but the bolts may not have been updated to the newer type with a locking compound on the threads. The bolts are inexpensive if you need to replace them.

fastpat 04-08-2006 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeutschMark
Jared, when you adjust your valves make sure the bolts on the camshaft oil sprayer bar are torqued to spec. I see your engine was rebuilt, but the bolts may not have been updated to the newer type with a locking compound on the threads. The bolts are inexpensive if you need to replace them.
The newer bolts have a groove cut in the top to verify that they've been changed out. The newer bolts have thread locking compound on them from the factory. There's also a mod that can be performed on the sprayer bar, you pinch the bar in the middle between two sockets in a vise, which creates two independant chambers, which enhances the oil supply to the ends of the bar.
EDIT: http://www.bmwe34.net/e34main/maintenance/engine/valve_adjust.htm

Jared at Pelican Parts 04-08-2006 12:24 PM

pat, whats your thought on installing a chip in these cars? Im thinking that the weight and the auto might not be worth it. Just something Im thinking of in the long run. Looks like im going to hold off on the manua swa for a while. I just dont have the time right now

fastpat 04-08-2006 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jared Fenton
pat, whats your thought on installing a chip in these cars? Im thinking that the weight and the auto might not be worth it. Just something Im thinking of in the long run. Looks like im going to hold off on the manua swa for a while. I just dont have the time right now
I don't know how much difference it would make with an automatic, but my car ran significantly smoother and had a lot more mid-range with the chip than without. These cars aren't the smoothest at idle, a characteristic of the Motronic 1.0 system that was fixed later. Right now, folks on the mye28.com board seem enthused about Mark D'Sylva's product, to the point of claiming they're better than the Jim Conforti chip I installed a number of years ago. I'll probably try his product in my E30 soon, but can't voice an opinion of it today. I do think Conforti's product worked well and was worth the cost, D'Sylva's chips cost a bit less, but I would warn you to not buy a $40.00 eBay special. I've seen some extreme results from those including holed pistons.

Bottom line, I think the heavier E24 would likely benefit more from a chip enhancement than a lighter car from the enhanced mid-range power.

Jared at Pelican Parts 04-08-2006 03:40 PM

I hear you. I would only install a Dinan, Jim C. or have Steve W. burn me a chip.

onewhippedpuppy 04-08-2006 05:22 PM

The E34 guys on Bf.c and bimmer.info also seem to think the Mark D chips are better, some have gone from Jim C to Mark D and claim to feel a difference. $1500!? I can't believe that, what a deal! Your seats look better than the sport seats in my 540/6. Nice find, congrats! If you want blow-ups of the clutch/tranny area, check out realoem.com. Part numbers and diagrams of most BMWs, very helpful. The trannies come up often on Bf.c, just the other day there was an E28 Getrag 5 speed for sale.

fastpat 04-08-2006 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by onewhippedpuppy
The E34 guys on Bf.c and bimmer.info also seem to think the Mark D chips are better, some have gone from Jim C to Mark D and claim to feel a difference. $1500!? I can't believe that, what a deal! Your seats look better than the sport seats in my 540/6. Nice find, congrats! If you want blow-ups of the clutch/tranny area, check out realoem.com. Part numbers and diagrams of most BMWs, very helpful. The trannies come up often on Bf.c, just the other day there was an E28 Getrag 5 speed for sale.
Yep, and the Dinan chip for older cars isn't good.

onewhippedpuppy 04-08-2006 05:38 PM

How about you just go all out and stick a S38 in there while you're at it?:cool: MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM:D


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