See, that's what I can't get about this whole thing.

Are there people in the CIA who "knowingly collaborated" with the Wilson's scheme? Weren't her fellow CIA bureaucrats aware of her politics after working with her in an office for 15-20 years?
Wouldn't they just ignore her recommendation to protect the VP and his staff? I thought the CIA supported the administration and provided facts/intel for their policies.

I love the concept of moral equivalence. It is always entertaining when a well meaning mediator enters a fray and tries to make equal the scales. Moral equivalence and well-meaning mediation can be wrong and in this case they are misguided...In your attempt at finding the middle ground you have stepped into fantasy land.

Objectivity is not, despite the misperception, moderate or morally equivalent. Objectivity leads one to hard biases and bigoted prejudices.

There are career bureaucrats. There are many that got their jobs as a political favor, some disgruntled, some activists that have an agenda, and some who are stupid enough to expose themselves and their status based on their actions. Valerie Plame knew what she was doing, she slept in the same bed with Joe Wilson. It was no secret. I doubt the risks were not thought about. In fact, I believe she and Wilson made their decisions realizing the situation win-win for them. They put Cheney/Bush in a pickle. You don't expose her, you lose. You do expose her, you lose...Despite this, she was not what she was sold to be. She was not covert...This renders the issue a fabricated scandal, orchestrated to protect an intentional sabotage of a sitting President.

Bottom line...Joe Wilson lied and Valerie Plame helped him.

Wilson has since become a hero to the Democrats and the ultra-left of the political spectrum. He has enjoyed fame that he obviously relishes, he has a book deal, he is fawned over by the press, and he has become a near hero at beltway parties.

Interesting how the media stays away from Valerie...What does she and the media have to hide?...She could put it all to rest.

It seems the media are as interested in Mrs. Plame-Wilson as they are Sandy Berger defrauding the 9-11 investigation.

the silence is deafening

None? Care to make one of our famous Pelican wagers on this? I will of course require good odds seeing that there is " no controversy whatsoever. None".

take your fingers out of your ears, mul.


BTW, the world is round. :cool:

Save your money so you can contribute to the Libby Legal Defense Fund.

Oh come now, easy money for you! How about this....if it comes out that she was not covert at the time of Novaks column then you will just go away?

How about your take your head out of your a$$ and read the indictment?

Joseph Wilson was married to Valerie Plame Wilson (“Valerie Wilson”). At
all relevant times from January 1, 2002 through July 2003, Valerie Wilson was employed by the CIA, and her employment status was classified. Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson’s affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community.

EDIT: How about your take your head out of your a$$ and read ANYTHING, anything at all besides your own drivel?

amazing how Jim's thoughtful post gets ignored (well, except by me :p )

I don't know about that logic. It seems like there would be more higher up supervision in the CIA for approving outside guys to make intel trips. Especially if someone (a wife to boot !) - wanted to send a known Democratic radical like Wilson who was out to get the President. Somebody must have really screwed up. Wasn't Tenet let go about that time? Do you think that's the real reason? He didn't do a good enough job protecting the President?

Hmmmm, that's what I wondered in an earlier post. How come Wilson's lies (IF they are lies - inquiring minds want to know) put Cheney/Bush in a pickle? Why would they react so strongly to an editorial in the NY Times, a paper few regular Americans read, written by a guy no one ever heard of, anyway? (Altho, I guess he worked for the original Prez Bush, right?)

I often agree with Jim, and I don't think "whistleblowers" are entitled to go running to the press everytime they feel a classified program is wrong.

But warrantless wiretaps is just so far out there, so contrary not only to the constitution but to existing criminal law, that I think Jim Risen's MULTIPLE sources were true American heros.

Is that a yes?

Oh, and you can say ass in here. Watch, hey Rodeo, you resemble a horse's ass (strictly for demonstrative purposes of course). See:D

ass

ass

ass

wow, that was fun.

can we say ****?

Hmmm, guess not. You two boys get back to your fight.

Actually I saw Jim's post and was going to comment on how Rodeo might learn a thing or two about how to have meaningful discussion from Jim...

But then I thought it would just be seen as another attack on Rodeo so I deleted it.

And the rhetorical fray of no substance continues...

That's the first piece of useful information you have ever posted here.

Well thanks good buddy........I suppose you don't look exactly like a horse's ass after all.

Does anybody know why/how the Wilson's put Cheney/Bush in a pickle?

Valerie thought or assumed she would be protected by her status at the CIA. She knew, given she was literally in bed with Wilson, what he planned on doing. She allowed Wilson to lie about what he found and who sent him to Niger. She, therefore, lied by association. Plame on one side, Cheney/Bush in the middle, Wilson on the other side.