Reward for turning Co. hiring illegals

[Rikao4]

?, if you offer $$ for info. as to who is employing illegals , could / would this work.
$ could come out of fines..higher the fine the better your cut.
Rika

[lendaddy]

How would you know or prove that they knew they were illegal?

[gaijindabe]

Kind of silly. The federal government knows who is using phony Social Security numbers. Basically, the ones they did not issue.

So why don't they tell these employers or find those forging government documents? Because they are receiving protection money in the form of campaign donations...

[Joeaksa]

Its not our job. As was said above, how can we tell for sure.

As well there is something called karma. I am not going to "drop a dime" on someone for something like this. Murder, rape, molestion, yes but not this. We need to have the Border Patrol or police catch them and parachute them back home...

[widebody911]

Originally posted by Joeaksa
We need to have the Border Patrol or police catch them and parachute them back home...

Due to budget constraints, the planes and parachutes have been replaced with a trebuchet...

[Porsche-O-Phile]

Sorry, you or I are required to carry valid identification just to walk down a public street (don't believe me, ask a cop). Why should it be any different for these clowns? If they can't furnish valid proof that they belong here, they get taken downtown, just like you or I would if we couldn't produce identification when requested by a cop. If they can't subsequently validate the person's identity or legal right to be here, chuck 'em back. Preferably using the trebuchet method described earlier - I like that one.

[Rikao4]

Border patrol not working (not their fault ) Police don't care and in some areas turn them loose knowingly,
as far as dropping the dime and karma..take your chances on that.
Employers is where you could make the biggest dent..dime or no dime.
Start fining with serious $ and others would get the msg. quickly.
Read somewhere..this year something 6 employers have gotten in trouble..fined doubt it.
In the end it really wont matter..nothing will change, nothing!
Rika

[lendaddy]

What I'm saying (as an employer who has hired many non English speaking workers) is that they have "proper" paperwork. What am I suppose to do then? Am I on the hook because I didn't hire an investigator to check these guys out?

Now, if there were a central database available to me......yea, I'd have no problem.

There seems to be a big misconception that illegals mostly get paid cash by the owner through the back window or something, that's not the case. They con us too.

[legion]

Originally posted by lendaddy
There seems to be a big misconception that illegals mostly get paid cash by the owner through the back window or something, that's not the case. They con us too.

Yep. My friend works for a lanscaping company. They legally recruit in Mexico, sponsor people for work visas, etc. They also hire people who come in and fill out applications. (Usually a stack of applications disappear when no one is looking, and a week later a dozen guys show up with near-identical applications.) They have had to turn away HUNDREDS of people because they show up with a Social Security Number that someone else they have hired is already using.

[gaijindabe]

Time to start taxing employeers sending in bogus W-2 info. $100 per week per phony SS number. Going up $10 per month until the problem is solved. No mass deportaions, no drama.

If you can't pay real wages to Americans or legal immigrants, you should shut down, move to Mexico or import from elsewhere.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by gaijindabe
Time to start taxing employeers sending in bogus W-2 info. $100 per week per phony SS number. Going up $10 per month until the problem is solved. No mass deportaions, no drama.

If you can't pay real wages to Americans or legal immigrants, you should shut down, move to Mexico or import from elsewhere.

What are you talking about? How would we know it was bogus? And just because I hire some Hispanic folk does not mean I don't "pay real wages to Americans". That's quite insulting and ignorant. 95% of my guys are good old fashion Americans. They make the same as the Hispanic guys I employ(actually they average less, as the Hispanic guys kick ass so I pay them MORE).

Am I suppose to apologize or feel guilty for something in there?

[lendaddy]

To add, for those who don't know.

We have to complete an I-9 form for every hire to prove status. This form requires three forms of ID and they are listed. We are not allowed to reject these, it is law. The fact that these are easily forged is not something I can detect or be held accountable for IMHO.

[gaijindabe]

Originally posted by lendaddy
What are you talking about? How would we know it was bogus? And just because I hire some Hispanic folk does not mean I don't "pay real wages to Americans". That's quite insulting and ignorant. 95% of my guys are good old fashion Americans. They make the same as the Hispanic guys I employ(actually they average less, as the Hispanic guys kick ass so I pay them MORE).

Am I suppose to apologize or feel guilty for something in there?

No need to apologize... If this were to be done (and it's not likely) it would require letting employers know who has provided false documents and phony SS numbers. And not holding them liable.

And I did not say Hispanics are not Americans.

I don't know your business, but I do know many. They are part of a false economy that does not pay workers enough to support themselves. (Not the real costs anyway.) Factor in healthcare, school taxes and future retirement costs and we are choosing short term gain over long term pain.

But it is a growing economy and you have a growing business - then fine - lets enforce the law and let in more legal immigrants.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by gaijindabe
No need to apologize... If this were to be done (and it's not likely) it would require letting employers know who has provided false documents and phony SS numbers. And not holding them liable.

And I did not say Hispanics are not Americans.

I don't know your business, but I do know many. They are part of a false economy that does not pay workers enough to support themselves. (Not the real costs anyway.) Factor in healthcare, school taxes and future retirement costs and we are choosing short term gain over long term pain.

But it is a growing economy and you have a growing business - then fine - lets enforce the law and let in more legal immigrants.

I think we agree. There are without question employers that pay cash and subvert the system, they should be punished severely. I just think there is a lot of misplaced anger with employers in general because they think we 1) know they are illegal and 2) pay them less.

[gaijindabe]

Indeed..