Hmmm...Iranian Attack Subs

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by fastpat
It's their duty to do so.

And you feel it is reasonable to expect them all to not only come to a singular understanding, but that is will also be your understanding?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by bell
fastpat.......were you ever in the military? honest question.

Yes, for a very long time.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by fastpat
Yes, for a very long time.

And you were never ordered to act outside your current beliefs? Did you ever see action? Or did your views change once out?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by lendaddy
And you were never ordered to act outside your current beliefs?

No, but I was concerned that Clinton might do so. When it became apparent that Bush was just like Clinton on foreign policy, only worse, I decided to retire. I had planned to stay longer, but Bush ended it for me. I've always thought defense of America to be an important thing to be involved in, but the two presidents above convinced me more than anyone else, that there was no role of defending America to be done.

Did you ever see action? Or did your views change once out?

If you mean was I in direct combat with a shooting enemy, the answer is no. I never held a specialty that was likely to do so.

I don't play the guitar either.

[dhoward]

Originally posted by fastpat
No, I stated that the Iranians, using all their military capability might be able to sink about one half of the US naval ships currently in the Persian Gulf.

Do you even read what you post?
That's not what you said. Alzheimer's is a b!tch...

Yes, I did say, and mean utterly, that when soldiers volunteer to serve this the rogue government in Washington, D.C., they deserve what they get when they invade another country, i.e. Iraq. This invasion was illegal under US law, under international law, and is immoral.

When a soldier working for the US government, particularly one that has joined it after March 2003 and volunteer to serve in Iraq, they are aiding and abetting mass murder, and deserve exactly what they get, and should be put on trial as war criminals.

Our soldiers deserve to be killed in Iraq.
You are a lazy, whining, douchebag.

When you're able to demonstrate substance to the last statement above, come back and do it.

Otherwise, it's best for you to be silent and thought a fool, that to post and remove doubt.

You do this every time you post.

[M.D. Holloway]

Don - I think the guy is on something or has lost what mind he had.

BTW - was that enough Krytox?

[JavaBrewer]

I was gonna post something about Iranian subs and threats against U.S. ships but I guess this is the wrong thread...

[M.D. Holloway]

ya, were gonna talk expensive grease now. Phat Scat ruined it again so why let a thread die right?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
ya, were gonna talk expensive grease now. Phat Scat ruined it again so why let a thread die right?

Grease? Ruin? This is taking a turn for the gutter it would appear.

[Eric 951]

Originally posted by fastpat
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Yes, I did say, and mean utterly, that when soldiers volunteer to serve this the rogue government in Washington, D.C., they deserve what they get when they invade another country, i.e. Iraq. This invasion was illegal under US law, under international law, and is immoral.

When a soldier working for the US government, particularly one that has joined it after March 2003 and volunteer to serve in Iraq, they are aiding and abetting mass murder, and deserve exactly what they get, and should be put on trial as war criminals.
]

You are no better than Phelps, and just as ignorant.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by dhoward
Do you even read what you post?

fastpat wrote:They could take 5 or 6 hundred tramp steamers to the Hormuz narrows and sink them which would raise holy hell with shipping for 6-12 months; not to mention restrict large subs from entering the Persian Gulf except through a designated kill zone. The US government is furnishing the Iranians with a target rich environment in the Gulf, there's over 40 US warships there now, including at least one large carrier, sometimes two. I'd expect the Iranians capable enough to sink at least one carrier and half of the rest.

There's nothing in the above statement that says the Iranians can or will sink all those ships solely by using submarine warfare. You, perhaps, contrued it to mean that, you made a mistake.

The Iranians will defend their country, and will do a much better job of it than the Iraqi's did, even with their military completely intact in the 80's, the Iranians kicked their asses. If the US government hadn't held Hussein's hand, the Iranians would have held many square miles of Iraqi territory.

Now, let's get back on track, shall we?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Eric 951
You are no better than Phelps, and just as ignorant.

Riiight!

Move along folks, there really isn't anything to see in the above post.

[allaircooled]

It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that myself and many, many others are out there serving our country for people like fastpat. Giving him the freedom to express his opinions (no matter how poor in taste they are) without the fear of consequences. This ones for you pat.

Chris

[lendaddy]

Pat, you never answered this question in regards to Constitutional interpretation:

"And you feel it is reasonable to expect them all[our soldiers] to not only come to a singular understanding, but that is will also be your understanding?"

[fastpat]

Originally posted by allaircooled
It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside knowing that myself and many, many others are out there serving our country for people like fastpat. Giving him the freedom to express his opinions (no matter how poor in taste they are) without the fear of consequences. This ones for you pat.

Chris

The problem with your self adulation is that it's based on a false premise. You're giving me nothing, and, you never have. If you're continuing to participate in the military today, it's self serving only, and has absolutely nothing to do with defending anyone, except those corporations on government welfare.

You, and those like you, are why we Americans must reduce the US government to caretaker status, and the military must be reduced by at least 90 percent.

Stop wasting your time and talents. Get a real job, you can thank me later.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by lendaddy
Pat, you never answered this question in regards to Constitutional interpretation:

"And you feel it is reasonable to expect them all[our soldiers] to not only come to a singular understanding, but that is will also be your understanding?"

Singular understanding? What group, in your learned opinion, does that? Still, we expect all reasonable men to act morally, and that means refusing to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan, and that needs to occur right now.

I think that we Americans need to encourage the teaching of morals in real schools, not the herd-think taught in government schools; so that when the government asks most Americans to support the immoral, they say, at the very least, NO.

But that's a different subject.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by fastpat
Singular understanding? What group, in your learned opinion, does that? Still, we expect all reasonable men to act morally, and that means refusing to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan, and that needs to occur right now.

I think that we Americans need to encourage the teaching of morals in real schools, not the herd-think taught in government schools; so that when the government asks most Americans to support the immoral, they say, at the very least, NO.

But that's a different subject.

Morals? Being a killing machine can hardly ever be considered moral, yet that is what a military man is asked to be.
No, I am talking of the idea you seem to hold that individual soldiers are to weigh the Constitutional ramifications of every order and accept or deny them based on their own conclusions.........or as you say....be subjected to justified death on the battlefield.

[VINMAN]

I heard a Navy copter crashed near Pensacola FL.

I bet Pats dancing his jig of joy over this. All the while reaping the fruits of his military retirement benefits, from the govt that he so despises.

[dhoward]

Mike, the Krytox was perfect. PM me your address, I brought you something back from Indy...

As far as Pat goes, I've already embarassed myself by getting sucked into his unqualified ramblings....

[allaircooled]

I never said that I had given you anything patty. I said that I serve my country for you and everyone else. Its the Constitution that gives you your rights. I am simply defending and supporting the Constitution of the U.S. It was in my oath.

You, and those like you, ...

Don't even pretend that you know who I am. We never met and probably never will. The only thing you know about me is whats in my sig and that I am in the military.

Stop wasting your time and talents. Get a real job, you can thank me later.

I have 11 years in and 9 more to go. Then I can get a so called "real job".

I am not going to try to convince you to change your opinion because I really don't give a ****. You can say what you want and you are not going to offend me one bit. I will promise you this, I will never die in the line of duty if only because you think I "deserve" it. Later.