Thank you hippy generation.

[nine_one_4]

For all your broadmindedness and blind stupidity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Services_Act_of_1965

I realize that's U.S law but the same tidal wave of stupidity swept over every Western society, including Canada, in the sixties and they made similar changes to their immigration laws.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060529/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/canada_terrorism_1

Canada: Some citizens al-Qaida trained By BETH DUFF-BROWN, Associated Press Writer

Canada's spy agency said Monday that some Canadian citizens or residents received terror training in al-Qaida-run camps in Afghanistan, providing official reinforcement to what security analysts have warned for years.

The deputy director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Jack Hooper, told a Senate committee studying Canada's role in Afghanistan that there are people living in Canada who fought with al-Qaida during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

The Senate Standing Committee on National Security and Defense held a full day of hearings on Canada's military mission in Afghanistan, and how it relates to security at home.

The hearings come as Canadians and some lawmakers voice growing concern over the deaths of Canadian soldiers serving in Afghanistan as part of a NATO force. Parliament voted earlier this month to extend Canada's mission in Afghanistan until 2009.

Canada has about 2,000 soldiers based in Afghanistan, most of them in Kandahar.

In outlining the domestic threat, he pointed to examples of people who had lived in Canada who later took part in terrorist attacks. A common thread among them was time spent at training camps in Afghanistan.

"When we talk about the homegrown terrorist phenomenon, these are people ... in most instances who are Canadian citizens," he said. "A lot of them were born here. A lot of them who were not born here emigrated to Canada with their parents at a very young age."

Hooper did not provide any specifics on numbers of potential terrorists or their whereabouts. It also wasn't clear what the agency was doing in relation to monitoring or possibly questioning and detaining potential terrorists. Canadian Press news agency said Hooper did not respond to questions from reporters after the hearing.

"I can tell you that all of the circumstances that led to the London transit bombings ... are resident here and now in Canada," said Hooper, the service's operations director, referring to the bombings in Britain's capital that killed 52 civilians and four terrorists last July 7.

Committee chairman Sen. Colin Kenny said the attacks on Britain should serve as a wake-up call for the problems Canada could encounter with homegrown terrorists.

"They'd been born in country," Kenny said of the London bombers. "They had all of the slang and comfort with the culture that you and I have, and yet, boom, here they are committing terrorist acts."

[CamB]

Quite what the purpose of your post is escapes me... unless you just want to be openly xenophobic, of course.

So, some people from Afghanistan emigrated to Canada. Some people from Afghanistan were Al Qaeda. Thus, all people from Afghanistan are bad, and must not be allowed into the country?

The deputy director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, Jack Hooper, told a Senate committee studying Canada's role in Afghanistan that there are people living in Canada who fought with al-Qaida during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

Moreover, I believe the support for them in fighting the Soviets was US-based. I'm really confused as to how to tell when Afghans became bad rather than good, and what immigration laws have to do with that.

Unless, of course, being xenophobic is good.

[dd74]

What's a "hippy"?

[svandamme]

Originally posted by dd74
What's a "hippy"?

i think Mull is one of them...

[fastpat]

Originally posted by dd74
What's a "hippy"?

I dunno, never heard the term.

[nine_one_4]

Originally posted by CamB
Quite what the purpose of your post is escapes me... unless you just want to be openly xenophobic, of course.

So, some people from Afghanistan emigrated to Canada. Some people from Afghanistan were Al Qaeda. Thus, all people from Afghanistan are bad, and must not be allowed into the country?



Moreover, I believe the support for them in fighting the Soviets was US-based. I'm really confused as to how to tell when Afghans became bad rather than good, and what immigration laws have to do with that.

Unless, of course, being xenophobic is good.

Way to practice selective reading. Why didn't you quote this?

"When we talk about the homegrown terrorist phenomenon, these are people ... in most instances who are Canadian citizens," he said. "A lot of them were born here. A lot of them who were not born here emigrated to Canada with their parents at a very young age."

And this?

"I can tell you that all of the circumstances that led to the London transit bombings ... are resident here and now in Canada," said Hooper, the service's operations director, referring to the bombings in Britain's capital that killed 52 civilians and four terrorists last July 7.

Committee chairman Sen. Colin Kenny said the attacks on Britain should serve as a wake-up call for the problems Canada could encounter with homegrown terrorists.

"They'd been born in country," Kenny said of the London bombers. "They had all of the slang and comfort with the culture that you and I have, and yet, boom, here they are committing terrorist acts."

[nine_one_4]

Originally posted by dd74
What's a "hippy"?

"Hippie, often spelled hippy, especially outside the United States is a term originally used to describe some of the rebellious youth of the 1960s and 1970s"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippy

[DaveE]

I don't think too many rebellious youth were in power in 1965 able to pass immigration laws, but hippies can be blamed for anything I suppose. Global warming? All that damn pot smoke, the bastards. The cool thing is hippies usually aren't paying much attention so you can smear them all you want.

[techweenie]

I remember the 'funeral' for the last "hippie" taking place in SF in 1968 or so... by the time I got to SF in '71, they all owned restaurants or waterbed stores.

[DaveE]

...and driving Porsches.

[nine_one_4]

Originally posted by DaveE
I don't think too many rebellious youth were in power in 1965 able to pass immigration laws, but hippies can be blamed for anything I suppose. Global warming? All that damn pot smoke, the bastards. The cool thing is hippies usually aren't paying much attention so you can smear them all you want.

There was endless social agitation (marches, rioting, sit-ins, music, literature etc.) in the sixties trying to force these changes and politicians being what they are were compelled to move in that direction. Look at what your views have to be today to be considered politically moderate. They would be unthinkable by the majority forty or fifty years ago.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by nine_one_4
There was endless social agitation (marches, rioting, sit-ins, music, literature etc.) in the sixties trying to force these changes and politicians being what they are were compelled to move in that direction. Look at what your views have to be today to be considered politically moderate. They would be unthinkable by the majority forty or fifty years ago.

Riiiight, 20-somethings forced 40- and 50-somethings to make governmental changes to increase immigration.

What are you, some kind of dolt?

[creaturecat]

Originally posted by DaveE
...and driving Porsches.

[nine_one_4]

Originally posted by fastpat
Riiiight, 20-somethings forced 40- and 50-somethings to make governmental changes to increase immigration.

What are you, some kind of dolt?

No, but you clearly are. So what culture (and laws) are in place today? Answer: The laws the "rebellious youths" agitated for.

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"In sociology, counterculture is a term used to describe a cultural group whose values and norms are at odds with those of the social mainstream, a cultural equivalent of a political opposition. In casual practice, the term came to prominence in the general press as it was used to refer to the youth rebellion that swept North America and Western Europe in the 1960s and early 1970s. Earlier countercultural milieux in 19th century Europe included the traditions of romanticism, Bohemianism and of the Dandy.

This movement was a reaction against the conservative social morals of the 1950s, the political conservatism (and perceived social repression) of the Cold War period, and the US government's extensive military intervention in Vietnam. Opposition to the war was exacerbated in the US by the compulsory military draft.

The 1960s youth rebellion largely originated on college campuses, emerging directly out of the American Civil Rights Movement. The Speech Movement at the University of California at Berkeley was one early example, as a socially privileged group of students began to identify themselves as having interests as a class that were at odds with the interests and practices of the university and its corporate sponsors."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture

[svandamme]

there's a white 911 in the Woodstock DVD as well

[Jim Richards]

So, does this thread make the top 10 stupidest threads list?

[svandamme]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
So, does this thread make the top 10 stupidest threads list?

nope, there hasn't been any betting yet...

[dd74]

Well, if anything is less than intellectual, it is the premise that hippies somehow brought the country down.

I knew hippies when I was a kid, and all they cared about was smoking dope and surfing. But they were smart enough to also go to college to avoid that certain black smear on U.S. history called Vietnam.

But that's beside the point of my offer to nine_one_4 the parallel of the 60s which are the 50s; a time where every man, woman and child was a cookie-cut of some mold that was prim, proper, and never second-guessed America or the U.S. government. At that time we:

1) Entered the cold war - an economic fiasco.
2) Perfected nuclear weaponry.
3) Entered Korea
4) Began plans to take over the war in Vietnam.
5) Prejudice ran rampid but unspoken of in the 50s.
6) Women had no right to choose.
7) You had a maniacal senator ruining the lives of average Americans by persecuting them as "Reds," when indeed many were not.

In the 60s you had:
1) The Beatles
2) The Stones
3) Stoners
4) Lotsa sex
5) More sex
6) The Doors, Zombies and Hendrix
7) More sex
8) More pot
9) Lots of anti-war rallies
10) Cool poetry, writing, art and film.

Hmmm...maybe you're right - all that culture, music and ****ing had to have brought down the U.S. from its graciously ignorant post WW II state.

God dammned hippie freak ******s!

[techweenie]

David: you forgot the real #1 social change aspect of the '60s: the Pill.

[nine_one_4]

Originally posted by Jim Richards
So, does this thread make the top 10 stupidest threads list?

The stupid thing was changing the immigration laws to allow these people to flood in and to commit terrorist acts against the countries where they were born. Unhappy here? Feel free to go back to your homeland.



"Canada's spy service admitted on Monday it couldn't track down many domestic terror suspects and said the country faced an increasing threat from "home-grown terrorists" who are assimilated into society."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060529/wl_canada_nm/canada_security_canada_col_2

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/view/