Chaos in Kabul...lest you think it's going well there

[fintstone]

Originally posted by techweenie
The good news for people of your ilk (are there others?) is that the Afghanistan adventure was a key cause of the collapse of the Soviet regime. And history may well repeat...

That is the first time I have ever heard that theory....and it certainly is not intuitive. What exactly makes you think so?

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by fintstone
We do when we can.

But you said the terrorists are all protesting. This means they're out in the open.....protesting. Why aren't we arresting them?

[fintstone]

Originally posted by cool_chick
But you said the terrorists are all protesting. This means they're out in the open.....protesting. Why aren't we arresting them?

No I didn't. I said they organized the protests.

I don't know how you are picturing these protests, but they are not peaceful where you can walk into them and question people and arrest bad guys at will. They are large, armed and well outnumber the troops. I guess we could bomb the protesters or shoot them until the attrition allowed us to arrest the bad guys mixed in with them....or put them all in Gitmo until we can interrogate them...but that is really not what we would want to do...is it? Doesn't exactly win the "hearts and minds" does it?

[Mulhollanddose]

Just like liberals, they don't want them in paradise, they want the poor terrorists in a war-torn hell...I would rather they spend some much needed R&R with Allah and the 72 ugly virgins.

This really isn't about human rights, is it? Liberals support the greatest criminal organization of human rights abusers in the world. They defend and advance the cause of the UN. The reality is that this is about advancing failure in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is about sabotaging democracy and freedom, it is about making sure that Bush and the ME are not successful. It is sick to imagine that this is the intent of the disloyal opposition in America. To imagine that they would murder infant democracy, abortion style. To imagine they want America to be less safe, all because their future and their power depends on it...It is more than tragic, it is traitorous, it is evil.

Where is liberal outrage about world-wide terrorism and mass human atrocities? Silence from the American left...Why are they, once again, on the wrong side of history? Is it the fact that communists, socialists and Islamics have a long-standing relationship and advocate the same types of Godless dictatorships? Is it about advancing the cause of chaos and evil? Is it about spreading tyranny, oppression and subjugation to the world?...If it is not, they must be doing something wrong, because this is precisely what they are achieving.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by fintstone
No I didn't. I said they organized the protests.

I don't know how you are picturing these protests, but they are not peaceful where you can walk into them and question people and arrest bad guys at will. They are large, armed and well outnumber the troops. I guess we could bomb the protesters or shoot them until the attrition allowed us to arrest the bad guys mixed in with them....or put them all in Gitmo until we can interrogate them...but that is really not what we would want to do...is it? Doesn't exactly win the "hearts and minds" does it?

If the terrorists are not protesting, just organizing, how do the people on the ground know this?

Fint, I don't think this admin or you guys care about things like winning hearts and minds, bombing people, shooting into crowds, putting people into Gitmo without trials, etc., ....so why are you asking this?

[fintstone]

Originally posted by cool_chick
If the terrorists are not protesting, just organizing, how do the people on the ground know this?

Fint, I don't think this admin or you guys care about things like winning hearts and minds, bombing people, shooting into crowds, putting people into Gitmo without trials, etc., ....so why are you asking this?

Please read my posts a little more closely. I did not say terrorists were not protesting. They were among the protesters. Local officials reported that this was the case when they investigated after the protests.

And you just being silly if you think that the administration (or myself) is not concerned with killing innocent people. As far as sending terrorists to Gitmo....I cannot think of a better place...except to meet their 69 virgins.

As far as "hearts and minds"...you are right. I could care less. Either they are terrorists...or not. If they are...we will kill them. If not...they can live. It makes no difference to me.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by fintstone
Please read my posts a little more closely. I did not say terrorists were not protesting. They were among the protesters. Local officials reported that this was the case when they investigated after the protests.

And you just being silly if you think that the administration (or myself) is not concerned with killing innocent people. As far as sending terrorists to Gitmo....I cannot think of a better place...except to meet their 69 virgins.

As far as "hearts and minds"...you are right. I could care less. Either they are terrorists...or not. If they are...we will kill them. If not...they can live. It makes no difference to me.

No one cares about sending terrorists to Gitmo. People just want to make sure they're terrorists...and if they're terrorists, then it would be easy to have a trial since the person is a terrorist......

And they're not virgins. That's just Western twisting....

How come we're not getting those terrorists who are protesting? Are you saying...we can't? If so, what kind of job is this administration doing with respect to addressing terrorism?

And Fint, do you and the admin? Because to be honest, I do have a hard time believing that....I mean no disrespect, but after so many "turn it into a big glass parking lot...hehe" comments, it leads me to believe that you guys really don't care........

[rcecale]

Originally posted by cool_chick
Because to be honest, I do have a hard time believing that....I mean no disrespect, but after so many "turn it into a big glass parking lot...hehe" comments, it leads me to believe that you guys really don't care........

If they didn't care, it would have been a "big glass parking lot" long ago.

Randy

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by rcecale
If they didn't care, it would have been a "big glass parking lot" long ago.

Randy

You sure it's "care" or rather don't want to deal with political suicide?

[fastpat]

Originally posted by techweenie
The good news for people of your ilk (are there others?) is that the Afghanistan adventure was a key cause of the collapse of the Soviet regime. And history may well repeat...

It was a nail in the coffin certainly, but the Soviet Union collapsed in on itself.

When I was in graduate school, I went to a talk by a former Soviet economist who had been allowed to emigrate as a Jew, but held an advanced position prior to his emigration in the Soviet Planning hierarchy. I wish I could remember his name. He predicted, near the end of his talk, that the Soviet Union would experience almost total collapse due to unsustainable economic policies, among the most important of which was central planning that thought it could control the market of goods and services.

He predicted this collapse in 2-4 years, the talk was given in the spring of 1984.

The collapse of the US government would be a positive in the long run, but rather messy in the short term. We'd have to deal with rogue federal agents for years.

[Dixie]

Seeing the recent articles about SC, it must certainly be an interesting place..

It's interesting, but not as you imply. You see Pat claims he's from S.C. But we all know the sky is a very different color in his universe.

…I certainly hope all politicians hate me, it's vindication.

Trust me Pat. most people hate you.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by rcecale
If they didn't care, it would have been a "big glass parking lot" long ago.

Randy

Only if you wanted to see Americans kill every US government military person that exists.

Nukes had better never be used by the US government unless they've been used against America.

This is an action that the US government had better take off the "table" of options permanently.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by Capt. Carrera
It's interesting, but not as you imply. You see Pat claims he's from S.C. But we all know the sky is a very different color in his universe.
Trust me Pat. most people hate you.

Thanks. From you, that's a powerful compliment.

[lendaddy]

Originally posted by fastpat
Only if you wanted to see Americans kill every US government military person that exists.

Nukes had better never be used by the US government unless they've been used against America.

This is an action that the US government had better take off the "table" of options permanently.

What? You think our citizens would rise up and murder all gove and military officials from the moral outrage of the act or something?


Holy fantasy land Batman!