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fastpat 06-11-2006 04:43 PM

Three Detainees commit suicide in the Gitmo Gulag
 
The US government run concentration camp at Gitmo, a part of the huge, and growing, Gulag of US Government centers in eastern europe (in formed communist countries, for torture) is producing of expented results.
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June 10, 2006
"Respecting" Your Victim
Posted by Butler Shaffer at 05:11 PM

After three detainees allegedly hanged themselves at the Guantanamo Bay concentration camp, an American military official stated that their bodies were being treated "with the utmost respect." These men - along with others - were held, indefinitely, in cages for many, many months, without a trial to determine whether they were guilty of any crimes. Where is there any "respect" - of "utmost" or lesser dimensions - in that? What does such behavior tell us about the depths of indecency to which this country has sunk? It is open to debate whether this system will collapse of its own dead weight before men and women decide to pull the plug on it. In either event, it is sad to see the soul of a once-humane people deteriorating so quickly, and with such popular indifference.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/


sammyg2 06-11-2006 05:02 PM

As Jerry Seinfeld says "now that's a shame..."

Joeaksa 06-11-2006 05:06 PM

Good to see your tax dollars at work huh Slopat?

Wonder if there is a way we can make them die slower? After all, cutting their heads off like their fellow terrorists did is so fast...

fastpat 06-11-2006 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
Good to see your tax dollars at work huh Slopat?

Wonder if there is a way we can make them die slower? After all, cutting their heads off like their fellow terrorists did is so fast...

You know that there are terrorists being held in the Gitmo Concentration Camp, how, exactly?

Joeaksa 06-11-2006 05:27 PM

OPSEC you know... If you were in a "need to know" then you would know wouldnt you?

They sure arent Girl Scout's so do you think that they got caught parking illegally in Kabul and Baghdad? That C4 stuff kinda gives you away at times...

fastpat 06-11-2006 05:32 PM

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Originally posted by Joeaksa
OPSEC you know... If you were in a "need to know" then you would know wouldnt you?

They sure arent Girl Scout's so do you think that they got caught parking illegally in Kabul and Baghdad? That C4 stuff kinda gives you away at times...

No, Joe, I'll tell you why you, nor I, know anything about these victims. That's because they've not been charged with any crime, nor has the US government presented any evidence against them in a court of law. No evidence means that they're innocent.

Joe, we must demand a lawful government.

fastpat 06-12-2006 05:22 AM

In it's usual denial, the US government has the timerity to claim the suicides were a publicity stunt. The little fuhrer in the White House has no morals, and probably never did.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article799452.ece

Eric 951 06-12-2006 05:25 AM

3 more down.:)

Rick Lee 06-12-2006 05:29 AM

Kill em' all. Let Allah sort 'em out.

fastpat 06-12-2006 05:33 AM

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Originally posted by Rick Lee
Kill em' all. Let Allah sort 'em out.
Funny, I've heard that bin Laden said exactly the same thing about the World Trade Center.

Rick Lee 06-12-2006 05:40 AM

He did and that's the mentality we're dealing with. Give them no quarter. They have no respect for anything and cannot be reasoned with or deterred. Kill them all. I say go after their families too.

fastpat 06-12-2006 05:42 AM

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Originally posted by Rick Lee
He did and that's the mentality we're dealing with. Give them no quarter. They have no respect for anything and cannot be reasoned with or deterred. Kill them all. I say go after their families too.
That means, as far as you're concerned, they have won.

That doesn't suit me, so I'll not let them win, you'll have to get used to this fact.

Rick Lee 06-12-2006 05:47 AM

I'm used to hate-America first types who think our enemies are always right. But I don't agree with them.

carnutzzz 06-12-2006 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
That means, as far as you're concerned, they have won.

That doesn't suit me, so I'll not let them win, you'll have to get used to this fact.


Sure Pat- let's kill them with kindness and show them the high ground through diplomacy!

We all know they are barbarians- the only way out of this is extinction- but for whom? Us or them? I vote them.

You? We're not so sure.

Yep- 3 more down. Since when do terrorists get full Geneva Convention style treatment? These guys are ants- they should die as such. Put the big guys on trial for publicity.

fastpat 06-12-2006 06:00 AM

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Originally posted by carnutzzz
Sure Pat- let's kill them with kindness and show them the high ground through diplomacy!

We all know they are barbarians- the only way out of this is extinction- but for whom? Us or them? I vote them.

You? We're not so sure.

Yep- 3 more down. Since when do terrorists get full Geneva Convention style treatment? These guys are ants- they should die as such. Put the big guys on trial for publicity.

The notion that America is at risk for extinction by the hand of Al Queda is one of the craziest that's come along in a long time, but it is an idea that has granted the Bush'ist cult a huge amount of power.

You, in your uncontrolled fear, are a part of the problem.

techweenie 06-12-2006 06:07 AM

It's clear in this thread that most have no idea how these detainees got to Gitmo nor how few actually turned out to be an "enemy."

It's also clear that some here think they are all less than human and their guilt or innocence is irrelevant.

And it's probably not productive to try and educate them. (see pig + sing)

carnutzzz 06-12-2006 06:15 AM

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Originally posted by techweenie

And it's probably not productive to try and educate them. (see pig + sing)

Yeah but then what else would you liberals do with your time? You certainly wouldn't want to go out and make America a better place. It's far more convenient to sit back with an iced latte and complain about it.

lendaddy 06-12-2006 06:15 AM

Yep, they are mostly Innocent villagers falsely fingered by their neighbors for reward money. Actually all of them are innocent.....wait, more than all of them!

We would let them go, but torturing is soooo much fun. I mean how often do you get the chance to waterboard innocent folk? You gotta jump on those opportunities.

Rick Lee 06-12-2006 06:21 AM

I only know what I read, but from what I've read about these three, two were al Qaeda and one was with the Taliban. Good riddance. I hope they died slowly and we bury them in pig fat.

ErVikingo 06-12-2006 06:31 AM

Some thoughts:

---
Forgive me father for I have sinned
It was either me or him

----
I used to think the world was flat
Rarely threw my hat into the crowd
I felt I had used up my quota of yearning
Used to look in on the children at night
In the glow of their Donald Duck light
And frighten myself with the thought of my little ones burning
But oh, oh, oh, the tide is turning
The tide is turning

techweenie 06-12-2006 06:50 AM

It's interesting to read about the people held at Gitmo who are not considered "enemy combatants" but who cannot now be released anywhere.

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510072006

A couple of the people captured in Afghanistan had previously been imprisoned by the Taliban, accused of trying to kill Osama bin Laden. Kind of ironic that we then imprisoned them for 4 years before deternining that there's no place we could send them -- so they are still at Gitmo.

I wonder who will click and read?

Joeaksa 06-12-2006 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by techweenie
It's clear in this thread that most have no idea how these detainees got to Gitmo nor how few actually turned out to be an "enemy."

It's also clear that some here think they are all less than human and their guilt or innocence is irrelevant.

And it's probably not productive to try and educate them. (see pig + sing)

Yes and we all know that you are the "all knowing, all seeing one" among us and anytime we have a question to just ask techweenie!

A few of us know very well how they got there and why, and its clear that you do not. If you believe everything that the biased news agancies then you are not getting the real picture. For instance, anyone who is found with explosives trying to bomb our forces get a one way trip to Gitmo. Same with someone shooting at our forces, and so on. I could care less if they are human or not, they made their choice and are now suffering because of it.

We tried to educate you and see what happened? See "donkey and sing" and it did not work out very well.

Eric 951 06-12-2006 06:55 AM

hmmm, they wanted to be dead, they committed suicide, they are dead. so, they got what they wanted, what is the problem?

if someone wants to kill themsleves, let them.

Rick Lee 06-12-2006 07:30 AM

I will never click on an Amnesty link, since my company already handles their nonsense press releases, in which they always claim either no one is ever guilty or if they are, they should not be imprisoned for their crimes.

Anyway, yes, there are some sad cases at Gitmo, most notably the Uigur Muslems from Xinjiang in China. Albania finally took them because China wanted to punish them if they ever came home. But the three suicide cases sound pretty clear from what I've read. They were bad guys and I'm glad that's nine fewer religiously correct meals per day we'll be paying for.


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