Fair enough, and I agree. So now we have *two* issues here:

1) at what point does a zygote become a human being?

2) where on the spectrum does ending that life lie?

The fact that after conception, the result is always a human being.
I would say at conception. How can it be anything else?

It's always just a baby, 9 months before birth.


KT

Big money in killing babies...It is no wonder Planned Parenthood and NARAL push for young women to have abortions, as opposed to adopting out the unborn child.

I am standing here before, proof that a zygote becomes a thinking, feeling, caring and loved human being...As a previous zygote, I have a right to speak for all zygotes, past and present and future...In fact my rights as a zygote trump those of the murderous she-devil that contends she has some "right" to murder my people.

That makes no sense...If there is no zygote there is no conception. In fact an ovum can be swimming in a sea of weak liberal sperm, having not entered the outer membrane, and there would still be no conception.

I read somewhere that we share 95% of our genetic makeup with a dog, and 88% of a fruit fly's. At conception, strangely, I wonder if we could be any of these creatures. And if that's the case, do/should these creatures enjoy the same regard as a human child newly created in the womb?

but he's right on his point about the stance of the church on contraception.

if you're using the arguement that 'a fetus will become a human being', that's taking it to an extreme... just like 'a human being will become a pile of dust' is taking it to the other extreme.

so lets not just kill potential babies.. lets kill everybody!!! that way abortion becomes morally acceptable. that's the only clear answer to me.

I've never heard of a woman giving birth to anything other than a human...maybe I missed that thread :)

KT

You should quit casting aspersions and start coming up with with a solution.

As much as you choose to blame Planned Parenthood and NARAL, which is designed to help women in more ways than "baby killing," I can blame all churches and religions for disallowing birth control among their members.

But I won't do that. Know why?

Because somewhere, out there, there are gutsy priests, pastors, rabbis, and other holymen types who seek to do something for humanity and distribute condoms, birth control pills or give good solid cases for abstinence instead of blaming women's clinics for the wrong done to the unborn.

You act like abortion is some dirty habit like smoking cigarettes or shoplifting. For goodness sake, if you were ever out of your own bounds in an argument, it's in this argument.

all hail dd74

*bows*

Come on, lets not bring Bush and Iraq into this, too. Oh wait, I think that's genocide, not abortion. :rolleyes:

All this talk about abortion still dosen't change the basic fact. Abortion is murder. Anyone haveing an abortion or performing an abortion is a murderer.

So you don't like being called a murderer? Then don't commit murder.

Not an opinion, just a FACT.

it seems the pro-life people here wouldn't be able to distinguish between the two..

Only have sex if you are married.
Use birth control.
Be prepared for a child.

Again...People like the easy way. No accountabilty.
Abortion is a disrespect for life.

If your conscience is weak or seared, abortion is an option.

Everyone knows killing is wrong...To abort is to ignore your conscience.


KT

Howz that working out?...AIDS is through the roof, unwanted pregnancies are equal or greater than before Roe V. Wade, STDs are out of control and single parent households are the norm.

Next time you hear of a friend dying of AIDS, thank a liberal. Next time you hear of a clinically depressed woman who suffers from post-abortion depression and suicidal tendencies, thank a liberal.

The philosophy you offer, dd74, creates the problems you falsely believe you will solve...You and your people are so dense that you overlook the fact that you are the problem and Republicans, primarily Christian Republicans, have the only tenable and effective solution.

Only have sex if you are married.
Use birth control.
Be prepared for a child.

Again...People like the easy way. No accountabilty.
Abortion is a disrespect for life.

If your conscience is weak or seared, abortion is an option.

Everyone knows killing is wrong...To abort is to ignore your conscience.


KT

Yes, but the difference between murder as you see it via abortion, and say, swatting dead a fly, should not be different or be held in any less regard, correct?

Or looking at it from a completely religion free perspective, should we feel, as humans, closer and more protective of our own species, and hold them in higher regard than another species?

Abortion is up to the woman, her doctor and her conscience. Everyone else can kindly go screw themselves, cause it ain't their business.

Well, good gracious, how can I argue with well-found logic such as yours? :rolleyes:

I'll have you know that for my attention, you're competing with a repeat of South Park, and guess what, South Park just won. SmileWavy

Mul - the Republican's certainly aren't an ideal party to hold up btw...