So you would concede that if a news crew went, for example, to a rock concert and two guys were fighting, they got that footage and led the coverage with the two fighters, spent 10 minutes on the fight, showed the lacerations, etc., that that coverage would be biased and possibly lead the audience to a false perception of the concert?...Now, lets take it a bit further and imagine that the news crew and reporter hated the rock group and concert organizers and wanted the television audience to hate them too...Would or would not these facts of reporting and agenda color what perception the television audience was left with?

nostatic:

"Shallow" is an excellent descriptor.

People do not want to hear the truth, nor do they want to think for themselves. Even on our limited little community here, this is obvious.

With few exceptions, none of the so-called pundits have ever done anything of merit to help the country and in some cases they could even be considered (to use another poster's favorite description) traitorous because they give aid to the enemy by dividing opinion rather than uniting. But they laugh all the way to the bank.

Z removed it because it was stupid, even for OT. I tend to agree.

Rick, the problem is that people seem to think Coulter *is* a journalist. And I'll be she does now too (I frankly don't know what she thinks...either she is a really good actor laughing all the way to the bank or she is one of the most angry people out there).

I freely admit that there has been some good news from Iraq recently. And I had to read it somewhere...so it is getting out there. I use google news almost exclusively, as it pulls from sources all over the world. I haven't watched tv news in years. Increasingly people are getting their news from the web, so I think that "network news" is slowly becoming a moot/irrelevant point.

No, no one else noticed. What we did notice is that the admin doesn't have a plan for victory.

Note: when they stand up, we stand down is not a plan for victory. Just good marketing, which is all the Admin is actually good at. Has it done anything in 5.5 years? Tort reform. Yay!

no, it's just great at marketing bumpersticker slogans to get people through the day, blame someone else for their "do-nothing" record.

From CNN.com: Front page "World News"

Updated: 11:37 a.m. EDT (15:37 GMT), June 16, 2006

Suicide bomber kills 11 at Shiite mosque
A suicide bomber wearing an explosives belt attacks a Shiite mosque in northwestern Baghdad, killing 11 people and wounding 25, police tell CNN.

• Iraq 'taking on southern security'

Who is Abu Ayyub al-Masri?

• Harsh debate in U.S. House

• U.S. reveals face of alleged new terror chief


OTHER INSURGENCY
U.S. and NATO troops try to clean Taliban out of no-go areas
MORE NEWS
Iran: Incentives a 'step forward'
Islamists pushing further into Somalia
Nepal rebel chief meets PM


BAGHDAD, IRAQ:
Al-Zarqawi's alleged playbook
Dead Sea soak a hidden oasis


I even searched through their middle east page and couldn't find the story.

Try again.

mul...

Like I said, the news program would air whatever would attract the most viewers. A peaceful concert scene is not really newsworthy. A brawl, on the other hand....

It is all about the money.

I almost never watch news on tv anymore either. In my office we have CNN's audio feed playing in our speaker phones, so that's what I get while I read the papers online.

I have a pretty firm rule that I never buy a book whose author is pictured on the cover. So I'll never read one of Coulter's books or any of the other meaningless, quick-cash books that end up in the bargain bin after a few mos., but sadly after being on the NYT best seller list for a while. As much as I love Charles Krauthammer and George Will (I read their columns religiously), I don't consider them to be journalists either. They're talking heads. Some are brighter than others, some I agree with more than others. But they ain't reporters ala Woodward and Bernstein.

I read about the sweep of al-Queda related insurgents the day after it happened, which was a week ago, at least (??).

I suppose we should blame the media for not running last week's good news instead of today's bad news.

And for keeping getting blown up instead of pumping out those positive stories.

Iraq's going great. Just ask our military expert Mul.

Not even close Rodeo.

al Zarqawi was killed June 7th. The raids began soon thereafter. The statement of numbers of insurgents killed or captured was made yesterday by Maj. Gen. Caldwell.

http://www.kfdm.com/engine.pl?station=kfdm&id=15252&template=breakoutl ocal.html

Hundreds of Raids Net Hundreds of Insurgents in Iraq
Reported by Scott Lawrence
June 15, 2006 - 9:04AM

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) _ U.S. and Iraqi forces killed 104 insurgents in hundreds of raids since terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was slain last week, and the American death toll in the war in Iraq hit 2,500, the U.S. military said Thursday.

Even as the Iraqi government released a document found in al-Zarqawi's hideout that appeared to show the insurgency was weakening, new violence erupted. Gunmen shot and killed 10 Shiites in Baqouba, northeast of Baghdad.

U.S. officials also identified the man claiming to have succeeded al-Zarqawi as head of the al-Qaida in Iraq terrorist group as Abu Ayyub al-Masri, an Egyptian with ties to al-Qaida.

American and Iraqi forces have carried out 452 raids since the June 7 airstrike on al-Zarqawi, and 104 insurgents were killed in those actions, said U.S. military spokesman Maj. Gen. William Caldwell.

The nationwide raids led to the discovery of 28 significant arms caches, Caldwell said.

He said 255 of the raids were joint operations, while 143 were carried out by Iraqi forces alone. The raids also resulted in the captures of 759 "anti-Iraqi elements."

The Pentagon's announcement that 2,500 U.S. troops had died since the war in Iraq began more than three years ago did not include any details on when the grim milestone was reached.

The grim milestone underscored the continuing violence in Iraq, just as an upbeat President Bush returned Wednesday from Baghdad and refused to give a timetable or benchmark for success that would allow the 132,000 U.S. troops to come home.

According to the Pentagon totals, 1,972 service members have been killed in action in Iraq, and another 528 died from other non-hostile causes. There also have been 18,490 troops wounded in action, including 8,501 who did not return to duty.

The 10 Iraqi men killed Thursday were pulled off a bus in Baqouba near where al-Zarqawi was killed. The 10 men _ nine workers at the city's industrial area and the driver _ were between the ages of 20 and 45 and were heading back to their homes, a police officer said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

The workers included three brothers and six other relatives. The gunmen sped away in two black sedans, the officer said.

Caldwell said al-Zarqawi's successor apparently is the same person as a man identified by the nom de guerre Abu Hamza al-Muhajer who has claimed to have succeeded al-Zarqawi and vowed to avenge him in threatening Web statements in recent days.

The Afghanistan-trained Al-Masri, an explosives expert, was a key figure in the al-Qaida in Iraq network and was long responsible for facilitating the movement of foreign fighters from Syria into Baghdad, Caldwell said at a news conference.

Al-Masri has been a terrorist since 1982, "beginning with his involvement in the Egyptian Islamic Jihad," which was led by Osama bin Laden's deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, Caldwell said.

Authorities said a document found in al-Zarqawi's hideout that includes a blueprint for trying to foment a war between the United States and Iran and also appears to show that the insurgency in Iraq is weakening.

The document said the insurgency was being hurt by the U.S. military's program to train Iraqi security forces, by massive arrests and seizures of weapons, by tightening the militants' financial outlets, and by creating divisions within its ranks.

"Generally speaking and despite the gloomy present situation, we find that the best solution in order to get out of this crisis is to involve the U.S. forces in waging a war against another country or any hostile groups," the document said.

"We mean specifically attempting to escalate the tension between America and Iran, and American and the Shiite in Iraq," it quoted the documents as saying, especially among moderate followers of Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, the most influential Shiite cleric in Iraq.

The document's authenticity could not be independently verified.

National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie called it "the beginning of the end of al-Qaida in Iraq."

"Now we have the upper hand," he said at a news conference in Baghdad. "We feel that we know their locations, the names of their leaders, their whereabouts, their movements, through the documents we found during the last few days."

Baghdad was in the second day of a huge security crackdown involving 75,000 Iraqi army and police forces backed by U.S. forces. It includes a curfew extended by 4½ hours _ from 8:30 p.m. until dawn _ a weapons ban, and the frisking of motorists at checkpoints around the capital. The government did not say how long the crackdown would last.

Operation Forward Together began Wednesday _ one day after Bush visited Baghdad to reassure Iraqis of Washington's continued support and exactly a week after al-Zarqawi's death in a U.S. airstrike.

Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has promised the crackdown would not target any ethnic or sectarian group.

Gunmen killed an engineer and kidnapped another, and a detergent factory worker was shot to death as he was headed to work elsewhere in western Baghdad, police said, but no major violence was reported in the capital, a day after al-Maliki's major security operation was launched.

Elsewhere, however, gunmen stormed a Sunni mosque near Tikrit, killing four people and wounding 15, including a fundamentalist Sunni cleric who has spoken out against the killing of Iraqis as part of the insurgency.

Al-Maliki opened the door Wednesday for talks with insurgents opposed to the country's political process as part of a national reconciliation initiative, but he said any negotiations would exclude terrorist groups. The plan could include a pardon for some prisoners.

Deputy Justice Minister Busho Ibrahim said 421 Iraqi prisoners were released from U.S. detetntion centers in Iraq on Thursday, the latest batch of a total of 2,500 to be freed this month as part of al-Maliki's national reconciliation efforts.

Glad to hear some local news affliate decided it was worth talking about.

It's good to know you are up to date on what is happening in Iraq though :rolleyes:

Or go find out from the Iraqis directly.

Un, my calendar puts June 7th as 9 days ago. And the raids began immediately thereafter. Immediately.

I know because I read about them in Newsweek 3-4 days ago.

I think it’s a shame that the media is reporting today’s killings and bombings in Iraq instead of the security round-up 9 days ago.

Clear evidence of the dreaded "media conspiracy."

Mosque Bombing Kills at Least 11 in Baghdad

By JEREMY W. PETERS

A man wearing explosives in his shoes blew himself up as worshippers gathered at a Shiite mosque in northern Baghdad today, killing 11 and wounding 25. The attack came just days after military forces launched a sweeping security operation aimed at calming terrorist violence in the Iraqi capital.

The attack on the Buratha mosque, a revered Shiite site, was one of several violent acts to shake Iraq today, including mortar attacks on a residential area north of the capital and the assassination of a sheikh in Basra.

More: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/16/world/middleeast/16cnd-iraq.html?hp&ex=1150516800&en=a7cc05093427a69c&ei= 5094&partner=homepage

Dude you are so dense it's laughable.

Ok, lemme spell it out for you in kindergarten-speak so you can understand, mmmmmk?

Zarqawi was killed June 7th. Intel was found and began to be digested and/or acted upon.

News reports on Zarqawi's death mention raids being conducted by US and Iraqi forces based on "treasure trove" of intel.

YESTERDAY, the military released the results of those raids during their daily press conference.

Are you seriously telling me you knew there were over 900 insurgents killed or captured in these raids LAST WEEK? What are you, able to see the future or something?

And please spare me the usual right wing vast media conspiracy talk because that isn't what I'm saying. I'm simply pointing out that, yet again, the media is not reporting on a MASSIVELY successful operation. Maybe Matt Lauer is still interviewing Britney Spears, guess he's too busy.

One more time and I'm done with you.

The round up began immediately. As in immediately.

They waited until Zarqawi's death was confirmed and then began the raids using intel they had been sitting on for fear of compromising the search for Zarqawi. I'm not aware of any intel they pulled out of the rubble of that house, but I do know the raids began IMMEDIATELY.

That was 9 days ago.

Whiny, crybaby neocons are annoying. Why don't you take responsibility for the dreadful situation in Iraq instead of crying about the media all the time?

Interesting post but you didn't address the point. I'll ignore the usual Rodeo ad hominem attack with a sprinkling of neo-con or mouthbreather or KINGMAKER in there.

Simple yes or no question:

Did you know last week (or even before today) that the raids netted 902 insurgents?

If the answer is NO (which it oughta be unless you are the Great Carnac), do you think that the coalition forces killing or capturing 902 insurgents in one week is newsworthy or not? Why or why not?

How much you wanna betcha these insurgents were not predominantly Iraqi nationals?...Another lie the left keeps foisting upon us is that they are some sort of disgruntled 'freedom fighter' (nevermind they kill their own people in greater numbers than American troops, by a long shot--inconvenient little factoid).

Dreadful situation in Iraq? Compared to what?...Fact is it has been handled and executed with un-paralleled brilliance; of this there is no question.

I heard it might acutally be 903 insurgents rounded up.

I just hope the media breaks that major story tommorow!

"AMERICANS CAPTURE ANOTHER IRAQI INSURGENT!"

New York Post material, for sure!

Ok, I guess that means you concede the point then.

Interesting that you mock the idea of a daily insurgent captured/killed update yet don't raise an eyebrow at the daily US killed/wounded updates....


Here's one that will REALLY warp your liberal brain. Turn the situaiton around. Here is the hypothetical:

The commander of US forces in Iraq is killed by an insurgent attack. The insurgents capture sensitive US documents and stage raids over the next week based on that intel.

902 US or Iraqi forces are killed or captured in the next week.

Do you think THAT would make headlines?

Breaking News!!! Word coming out of Iraq is that US Marines nabbed another insurgent today!

I guess we know what the lead will be on tonight's evening news boradcasts.

The mosque bombing, mortar attacks and an assassination that happened today will just have to take a back seat ... we captured another insurgent!

Rodeo your idiocy would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic.

Glad to see you are making fun of our troops efforts in Iraq and think that 902 insurgents in 9 days is nothing to get excited about. That's only 100 per day on average...

Crawl back into your hole, you are embarrassing yourself.