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Rodeo 06-16-2006 09:58 AM

Just think, tomorrow might be 903 insurgents in 10 days, then the folowing day, 904 insurgents in 11 days, then 905 insurgents in 12 days.

PR is fun in your world! No matter what horrific thing happens today, all we have to do is issue a compilation of the last several weeks of activities. Instant headlines! And the bad stuff gets buried on page D-14.

Brilliant!

Mulhollanddose 06-16-2006 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Interesting that you mock the idea of a daily insurgent captured/killed update yet don't raise an eyebrow at the daily US killed/wounded updates....
American casualties have greater effect for their objectives...You are safer being a soldier in Iraq than being a baby in Planned Parenthood.

914GT 06-16-2006 11:13 AM

The truth about the MSM

fastpat 06-16-2006 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by Nathans_Dad
Heard on the radio this morning that intel obtained from the Zarqawi raid has led to 452 individual operations in the last week which have killed 104 insurgents, captured 759 suspected insurgents and discovered 28 arms caches. For a numbers comparison, that would be like an entire US Army Battalion either being killed or captured in one week.

Anyone hear about that on the news? I must have missed it.

Well, that's good for the German, er, US government invaders; it remains to be seen if that was a clean out of the last of Al Queda in Iraq, a clean out which was supported by the Freedom Fighters, or Freedom Fighters themselves. The Iraqi Freedom Fighters are helping Americans a great deal, more than even they know.

Damaging the US government, helps America and Americans.

fastpat 06-16-2006 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by 914GT
Or go find out from the Iraqis directly.
I would, but the dead don't talk. They do, however, speak volumes about the mass murderer in the White House, George W. Bush.

Mulhollanddose 06-16-2006 02:00 PM

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Originally posted by fastpat
I would, but the dead don't talk. They do, however, speak volumes about the mass murderer in the White House, George W. Bush.
Last I checked GW liberated 50,000,000 people and has brought several top level terrorists, including Saddam Hussein, to justice...I don't know what warped lefty world you live in.

fastpat 06-16-2006 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Last I checked GW liberated 50,000,000 people and has brought several top level terrorists, including Saddam Hussein, to justice...I don't know what warped lefty world you live in.
George W. Bush has liberated no one, except those 100,000 plus dead from their loved ones and friends.

Your notion that Bush has liberated anyone is the worst kind of fantasy.

Seahawk 06-16-2006 02:49 PM

I know that the press does not report the planes that land, only those that crash...

I'll be back in the kitty litter in two weeks. I can only hope my escorts are Marines.

From Powerline:


Sometimes others are all over a story, and all you need to do is link. That's the way it is with two thematically related stories in the news today. First, there are the seven Marines and one Navy corpsman who are being held in solitary confinement, sometimes in shackles, on suspicion of having murdered an Iraqi civilian. Michelle Malkin has everything you need to know about this important story. I have just one comment to add.

These eight servicemen have been tried and convicted in the press. This is what ostensibly happened:

[E]vidence found thus far indicates Marines entered the town of Hamdaniya in search of an insurgent and, failing to find him, grabbed an unarmed man from his home and shot him.

I don't believe it. Seven Marines and a corpsman--not an unstable soldier or two--didn't find the terrorist they were looking for, so they randomly grabbed an innocent guy and shot him? It's possible that something bad happened here, but that story makes no sense, and unless and until I see the evidence, I simply don't believe it.

The second story involves a Marine Corporal, Joshua Belile, who sang a song--a pretty good song, actually--about an American in Iraq who is lured into an ambush and, in self-defense, kills two jihadis who are trying to murder him. Unfortunately, a video of Joshua's band performing the song showed up on YouTube, and wire services wrote false news stories about the performance. Sorry, but there is no polite way to put it. The wire service stories were deliberately false, and could not have been written in good faith by anyone who watched the video. But that's no surprise; the worst part of the story is that the Marine Corps brass fell in line with CAIR, and Cpl. Belile is in trouble. Little Green Footballs has all the info. And the tireless Mrs. Malkin is also on the case.

The common thread here seems to be the willingness of military brass to knuckle under to political pressure rather than stand up for our servicemen.

nostatic 06-16-2006 03:04 PM

what was false about the song video? You could watch it and make your own decision...what exactly did the wire services say?

fintstone 06-16-2006 10:57 PM

It loooks like the media is an equal opportunit basher of anyone who stands up to terror. The same thing happens every day in Palestine

The untold story of Gaza (and Haditha?)
By Mona Charen

Jun 16, 2006

The story was everywhere and was everywhere the same. On June 9, Israel had fired a rocket onto a Gaza beach killing seven picnicking Palestinian civilians. The New York Times carried a huge, front-page picture of a 12-year-old girl weeping as she searched for her father's body in the sand (the photo was excerpted from video that has been broadcast around the world). CBS News reported, "The ruling Hamas group fired a barrage of homemade rockets at Israel on Saturday, hours after calling off a truce with Israel in anger over an artillery attack that killed seven civilians in Gaza." The New York Times characterized it this way: "Hamas fired at least 15 Qassam rockets from Gaza into Israel on Saturday, ending a tattered 16-month truce with Israel, a day after eight Palestinians were killed on a Gaza beach, apparently by an errant Israeli shell." CNN went even further, explaining that "Hamas' rocket attacks were prompted by a string of Israeli attacks, including an artillery shell blast that killed at least seven Palestinians picnicking on a northern Gaza beach on Friday."

Just another brutal attack on civilians by the Israel Defense Forces? So we are invited to conclude. But the IDF, after initially apologizing and offering assistance to the families of those killed, has now investigated and concluded that the explosion was not caused by an Israeli shell. Full stop.

First, consider this elemental difference between Israel and the Palestinians: Israel apologizes and tries to make amends if its missiles go astray and kill civilians. The Palestinians, by contrast, aim at civilians and dance in the streets when they are killed.

The Israelis say the explosion on the beach may have been caused by a land mine placed there by Palestinians to thwart any Israeli assault, or possibly by unexploded ordnance from an earlier skirmish. According to the Israelis, shrapnel taken from the bodies of victims did not match Israeli shells but looked more like bomb fragments.

Another glaring missing ingredient to the media coverage is what happened before Israel fired on Gaza (Israel acknowledges aiming at terrorists in a different area of Gaza that day). In the 10 months since Israel withdrew from Gaza, some 1,000 missiles have been fired at Israel from Gaza. More than 800 have hit the country. Just in the month of May, more than 30 Qassam rockets were fired at Israel from the Gaza Strip. On May 21, a Qassam slammed into a classroom in Sderot -- it was empty as the children were at synagogue. On May 16, a Katyusha landed in a farm. On May 31, four Qassams struck Sderot (Hamas has vowed to make that town of 20,000 into a graveyard). One hit an apartment building wounding two. On April 17, a suicide bomber killed 11 and wounded more than 70 when he exploded his bombs in a Tel Aviv cafe.

The world press, very much including the mainstream U.S. media, tends to take the word of Palestinian spokesmen about civilian deaths, although experience should have taught them by now to be more guarded. In 2005, a 10-year-old Palestinian girl was killed by gunfire. U.N. and Palestinian officials blamed her death on Israel until it was determined that a bullet fired by Palestinians shooting into the air to celebrate their pilgrimage to Mecca hit her. Muhammad al-Dura, the 12-year-old Palestinian boy supposedly shot by Israelis has become a worldwide symbol of Israeli brutality, though it has since been firmly established that Israelis could not and did not kill him. And, of course, the "Jenin Massacre" proclaimed by Palestinians high and low (5,000 innocents were slaughtered, they claimed) and condemned by the United Nations, turned out to be a complete lie (only 52 were killed, along with 23 Israeli soldiers who went house to house to avoid civilian casualties).

In the aftermath of the Gaza incident, Prime Minister Olmert spoke by phone with U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan. Annan demanded an explanation for the Gaza deaths. When Olmert asked why Annan had not shown similar concern about the scores of missiles hitting Israel, Annan was nonplussed. "What missiles?" he asked.

Two weeks ago, I was critical of those who leaped to conclusions about what happened at Haditha. It now looks as though news from Haditha may have been manipulated -- just as news from the Palestinian territories routinely is. The western press falls for these scams again and again. Their credulity betrays their partiality and it dishonors them.

Mulhollanddose 06-17-2006 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
George W. Bush has liberated no one, except those 100,000 plus dead from their loved ones and friends.
Where did you get that number? It is the very same less than scientific number that the far left uses regularly to fool the American public...I know precisely where you got the number, the Lancet, a full-of-***** leftist medical journal from the UK...The number has been thoroughly and rounded discredited by all credible accounts.

fastpat 06-17-2006 04:48 AM

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Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
Where did you get that number? It is the very same less than scientific number that the far left uses regularly to fool the American public...I know precisely where you got the number, the Lancet, a full-of-***** leftist medical journal from the UK...The number has been thoroughly and rounded discredited by all credible accounts.
Since the US government is completely unreliable, one must go to other sources of information. Doing a search and establishing a range of probable numbers.

This the most reliable: http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/
Lancet: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm

Mulhollanddose 06-17-2006 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
Since the US government is completely unreliable, one must go to other sources of information. Doing a search and establishing a range of probable numbers.

This the most reliable: http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/
Lancet: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm

Clearly you site agenda driven websites masquerading, transparently, as objective and concerned do-gooders. Those who orchestrate their propaganda are, well, propagandists. They are a dark kind of wickedness that half realize they are manipulating the easily fooled, and half believe it themselves as they are so blinded by their ideology, or just simply evil...The incessant leftist led drumbeat of death tolls is nothing more than a device, one employed for the Vietnam war successfully, rewarmed and reheated, albeit with more sophistication, the very same strategy used so successfully in Vietnam. That strategy not only cost more American servicemen's lives, but it emboldened the enemy (true cause they say so) and ushered in a bloodbath in that region.


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