CNN's "Dead Wrong." No one watched it?

[Mulhollanddose]

Its not funny cause it is true....Democrats are dangerous, they should be nowhere near power.

[stuartj]

The 9-11 trump card.

I imagine it will do absolutely no good to point out -yet again- that wreaking revenge (and that is what is it is) on the people of Iraq has killed way, way, more than than the 3000 who were murdered by a terrorist orginaisation in September 2001.

Moreoevr, the basis for this revenge- WMD and AlQ links- lie in tatters. We are are now onto "nation building" and "freedom". Again, call it what it is. Hegemony.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by stuartj
Moreoevr, the basis for this revenge- WMD and AlQ links- lie in tatters. We are are now onto "nation building" and "freedom". Again, call it what it is. Hegemony.

Saddam had operational ties with al qaeda. He funded and harbored terrorists. He was planning on arming himself with evolved weapons systems, including chemical and biological. He had an arrangment with al qaeda to manufacture WMD, or at least had the desire to feed his egomania by taking part in such a delivery of WMD.

BTW...I know "hememony" is a very important word in the liberal lexicon, along with "unilateral", "Halliburton", "solidarity", and "comrade", but once again, your understanding of its meaning and usage is off.

Main Entry: he·ge·mo·ny
Pronunciation: hi-'je-m&-nE, -'ge-; 'he-j&-"mO-nE
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek hEgemonia, from hEgemOn leader, from hEgeisthai to lead -- more at SEEK
: preponderant influence or authority over others : DOMINATION
- heg·e·mon·ic /"he-j&-'mä-nik, "he-g&-/ adjective


Hegemony would be a word to describe liberalism, socialism or fundamentalist Islam...Not a response to it. Hegemony would suggest unprovoked domination, not provoked response.

[Moneyguy1]

And yet we keep feeding the Troll...............

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by stuartj
the basis for this revenge- WMD and AlQ links- lie in tatters.

* Abdul Rahman Yasin was the only member of the al Qaeda cell that detonated the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at large in the Clinton years. He fled to Iraq. U.S. forces recently discovered a cache of documents in Tikrit, Saddams hometown, that show that Iraq gave Mr. Yasin both a house and monthly salary.

* Bin Laden met at least eight times with officers of Iraq's Special Security Organization, a secret police agency run by Saddam's son Qusay, and met with officials from Saddams mukhabarat, its external intelligence service, according to intelligence made public by Secretary of State Colin Powell, who was speaking before the United Nations Security Council on February 6, 2003.

* Sudanese intelligence officials told me that their agents had observed meetings between Iraqi intelligence agents and bin Laden starting in 1994, when bin Laden lived in Khartoum.

* Bin Laden met the director of the Iraqi mukhabarat in 1996 in Khartoum, according to Mr. Powell.

* An al Qaeda operative now held by the U.S. confessed that in the mid-1990s, bin Laden had forged an agreement with Saddams men to cease all terrorist activities against the Iraqi dictator, Mr. Powell told the United Nations.

* In 1999 the Guardian, a British newspaper, reported that Farouk Hijazi, a senior officer in Iraqs mukhabarat, had journeyed deep into the icy mountains near Kandahar, Afghanistan, in December 1998 to meet with al Qaeda men. Mr. Hijazi is "thought to have offered bin Laden asylum in Iraq," the Guardian reported.

* In October 2000, another Iraqi intelligence operative, Salah Suleiman, was arrested near the Afghan border by Pakistani authorities, according to Janes Foreign Report, a respected international newsletter. Janes reported that Suleiman was shuttling between Iraqi intelligence and Ayman al Zawahiri, now al Qaedas No. 2 man.

(Why are all of those meetings significant? The London Observer reports that FBI investigators cite a captured al Qaeda field manual in Afghanistan, which "emphasizes the value of conducting discussions about pending terrorist attacks face to face, rather than by electronic means.")

* As recently as 2001, Iraqs embassy in Pakistan was used as a "liaison" between the Iraqi dictator and al Qaeda, Mr. Powell told the United Nations.

* Spanish investigators have uncovered documents seized from Yusuf Galan -- who is charged by a Spanish court with being "directly involved with the preparation and planning" of the Sept. 11 attacks -- that show the terrorist was invited to a party at the Iraqi embassy in Madrid. The invitation used his "al Qaeda nom de guerre," Londons Independent reports.

* An Iraqi defector to Turkey, known by his cover name as "Abu Mohammed," told Gwynne Roberts of the Sunday Times of London that he saw bin Ladens fighters in camps in Iraq in 1997. At the time, Mohammed was a colonel in Saddams Fedayeen. He described an encounter at Salman Pak, the training facility southeast of Baghdad. At that vast compound run by Iraqi intelligence, Muslim militants trained to hijack planes with knives -- on a full-size Boeing 707. Col. Mohammed recalls his first visit to Salman Pak this way: "We were met by Colonel Jamil Kamil, the camp manager, and Major Ali Hawas. I noticed that a lot of people were queuing for food. (The major) said to me: Youll have nothing to do with these people. They are Osama bin Ladens group and the PKK and Mojahedin-e Khalq."

* In 1998, Abbas al-Janabi, a longtime aide to Saddams son Uday, defected to the West. At the time, he repeatedly told reporters that there was a direct connection between Iraq and al Qaeda.

*The Sunday Times found a Saddam loyalist in a Kurdish prison who claims to have been Dr. Zawahiris bodyguard during his 1992 visit with Saddam in Baghdad. Dr. Zawahiri was a close associate of bin Laden at the time and was present at the founding of al Qaeda in 1989.

* Following the defeat of the Taliban, almost two dozen bin Laden associates "converged on Baghdad and established a base of operations there," Mr. Powell told the United Nations in February 2003. From their Baghdad base, the secretary said, they supervised the movement of men, materiel and money for al Qaedas global network.

* In 2001, an al Qaeda member "bragged that the situation in Iraq was good," according to intelligence made public by Mr. Powell.

* That same year, Saudi Arabian border guards arrested two al Qaeda members entering the kingdom from Iraq.

* Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi oversaw an al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, Mr. Powell told the United Nations. His specialty was poisons. Wounded in fighting with U.S. forces, he sought medical treatment in Baghdad in May 2002. When Zarqawi recovered, he restarted a training camp in northern Iraq. Zarqawis Iraq cell was later tied to the October 2002 murder of Lawrence Foley, an official of the U.S. Agency for International Development, in Amman, Jordan. The captured assassin confessed that he received orders and funds from Zarqawis cell in Iraq, Mr. Powell said. His accomplice escaped to Iraq.

*Zarqawi met with military chief of al Qaeda, Mohammed Ibrahim Makwai (aka Saif al-Adel) in Iran in February 2003, according to intelligence sources cited by the Washington Post.

* Mohammad Atef, the head of al Qaedas military wing until the U.S. killed him in Afghanistan in November 2001, told a senior al Qaeda member now in U.S. custody that the terror network needed labs outside of Afghanistan to manufacture chemical weapons, Mr. Powell said. "Where did they go, where did they look?" said the secretary. "They went to Iraq."

* Abu Abdullah al-Iraqi was sent to Iraq by bin Laden to purchase poison gases several times between 1997 and 2000. He called his relationship with Saddams regime "successful," Mr. Powell told the United Nations.

* Mohamed Mansour Shahab, a smuggler hired by Iraq to transport weapons to bin Laden in Afghanistan, was arrested by anti-Hussein Kurdish forces in May, 2000. He later told his story to American intelligence and a reporter for the New Yorker magazine.

* Documents found among the debris of the Iraqi Intelligence Center show that Baghdad funded the Allied Democratic Forces, a Ugandan terror group led by an Islamist cleric linked to bin Laden. According to a Londons Daily Telegraph, the organization offered to recruit "youth to train for the jihad" at a "headquarters for international holy warrior network" to be established in Baghdad.

* Mullah Melan Krekar, ran a terror group (the Ansar al-Islam) linked to both bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Mr. Krekar admitted to a Kurdish newspaper that he met bin Laden in Afghanistan and other senior al Qaeda officials. His acknowledged meetings with bin Laden go back to 1988. When he organized Ansar al Islam in 2001 to conduct suicide attacks on Americans, "three bin Laden operatives showed up with a gift of $300,000 to undertake jihad," Newsday reported. Mr. Krekar is now in custody in the Netherlands. His group operated in portion of northern Iraq loyal to Saddam Hussein -- and attacked independent Kurdish groups hostile to Saddam. A spokesman for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan told a United Press International correspondent that Mr. Krekars group was funded by "Saddam Husseins regime in Baghdad."

* After October 2001, hundreds of al Qaeda fighters are believed to have holed up in the Ansar al-Islams strongholds inside northern Iraq.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
And yet we keep feeding the Troll...............

Troll?...I am an integral and inextricable fixture of the PelicanParts Off-Topic forum. I offer my time and services, at no charge, for the enlightenment of the objective and the slaughter of the willfully ignorant.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
And yet we keep feeding the Troll...............

nope. I'm done. He was owned in the other thread. But like a balloon you squeeze, he just ignores that and bulges out elsewhere. Pointless really. My bad for engaging far too long.

[Moneyguy1]

nostatic...

I'm with you. You cannot discuss anything rationally with an bigoted idiot.

[stuartj]

Originally posted by Moneyguy1
nostatic...

I'm with you. You cannot discuss anything rationally with an bigoted idiot.

Agree. Life is too short.

[CamB]

Originally posted by 914GT
So in other words you believe:

Ok, so I have to be pedantic for you now

1. Iraq did not have the capability to build weapons or train terrorists who would be likely to harm the US, and could have been effectively contained if it did.
2. Saddam would have not pursued meaningful, etc weapons or trained terrorists between 2003 and now, and could have been contained.
3. Terrorists trained anywhere can infiltrate the US.
4. Most Arab students are little angels.
5. Your border with Mexico is not secure, but see point 3 to understand why Iraq is irrelevant.
6. Canada's open immigration policy does not lead to formation of terror groups. At all
7. Terrorists can cross the US/Canada border. See point 3
8. There have been attempts to restrict intelligence gathering or sharing of intelligence between government agencies. I agree.


And for Mul

"Bush has successfully resuscitated an economy on the brink of recession and has skillfully and efficiently dismantled terrorism and the Democrat party."

The use of the past tense in this sentence comes across as slightly pathetic and grasping.

But you go boy.

And I think I'm with the others - I'm done.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by nostatic
nope. I'm done. He was owned in the other thread.

lol...which thread is that?

[kang]

Originally posted by CamB
Ask yourself if, prior to 2003, there have been more attacks on US and other Western interests from:

a) terrorists trained in Afghanistan; or
b) terrorists trained in Iraq.

This is an excellent point. You could also ask: Since 2003, which country has trained more terrorists than any other?

[kang]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose
"Bush has successfully resuscitated an economy on the brink of recession and has skillfully and efficiently dismantled terrorism and the Democrat party."

I want some of whatever you are taking! Or, maybe not. As they say, reality is for people who can't handle drugs.

[on-ramp]

Originally posted by Mulhollanddose




Its not funny cause it is true....Democrats are dangerous, they should be nowhere near power.

for every innocent person they killed on 9/11 , you want to kill 100X more innocent people with your illegal war mongering and your "let's conquer the world and spread democracy with BIG bombs" BS....

but again, we shouldn't expect anything more from a liberal hating neo-con brainwashed individual such as yourself.

[Mulhollanddose]

Originally posted by on-ramp
for every innocent person they killed on 9/11 , you want to kill 100X more innocent people with your illegal war mongering and your "let's conquer the world and spread democracy with BIG bombs" BS....

No, rampy, just the terrorists and those that harbor them...Leave it to the Islamic tyrants and terrorists to kill the innocents whom we seek to liberate and protect. The innocent have never had a greater friend than GW Bush, including the unborn innocent.

Rampy, if scum like you had your way the rape rooms would still be operating, the children's prisons, the human chippers, the government sanctioned torture chambers. Most importantly Saddam Hussein would be amassing big money and figuring out ways to harm others and America, like supplying al qaeda with WMD or funding to conduct the slaughter of innocents.