Yeah..but the US gov't isn't making these asinine statements about "Freedom Fighters". YOU ARE!

If your pride won't let you admit that you've gone over the line, than say NOTHING AT ALLl. As I said, you attempts to justify these statements are pathetic and immoral.

Pathetic...absolutley pathetic.

This is a photograph of Charleston, South Carolina after the US government shelled it for weeks, including incendiary shells on churches and houses. My maternal great grand parents lived there.
http://images16.fotki.com/v286/photo...leston2-vi.jpg

There is no more depraved government on the planet than the US government. Do not speak to me about the moral and the immoral in Iraq, you don't know what you're talking about.

Holy cow that is weak.

This is supposed to justify your statements....how???? (It's doesn't.) Somebody that you probably never knew was involved in a war ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY YEARS AGO, and that makes you an expert on oppression how??? (It' also doesn't.) It's related to Iraq in what way??? (It's not.) Talk about a non-sequitor!!

Forget about the government. YOUR STATEMENTS ARE AT ISSUE. Using ancient pictures does not justify YOUR current PATHETIC, HYPOCRITICAL statements endorsing child killers and kidnappers.

Are you looking for reparations or something Paste?

Good point. I have to agree with most of what patsy posts on the civil war (historically speaking he is on the money), but I fail to see how he can make the leaps he does in comparison to current events. Sort of like the "Hitler" or the "Vietnam" codewords the left uses against current leaders. It is insane. There simply is no logical basis to even discuss both in the same thread.

I believe the theory is if you spew enough BS, some will stick. That jerkoff cartoonist in Atlanta, Lucko***** or whatever his name is, would be a nice example.

Really? The indescriminate use of heavy weapons against a civilian population, and all you can say is, "holy cow". Now, that's pathetic.

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This is supposed to justify your statements....how???? (It's doesn't.) Somebody that you probably never knew was involved in a war ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY YEARS AGO, and that makes you an expert on oppression how??? (It' also doesn't.) It's related to Iraq in what way??? (It's not.) Talk about a non-sequitor!!

Those who do not know or understand history are doomed to repeat it. The US government has been doing this sort of thing over and over again, not just 140 years ago, but continuously. When the US government defeated the Spanish and moved to dominate their former colony the Philipines, it killed over 200,000 filipinos, for their own good. It has happened again and again, and is happening now. It is you who aren't getting it, because, apparently, you think history is broken up into neat little, unrelated packages. Here's a clue, all of these historical facts are related, a part of a whole.

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Forget about the government. YOUR STATEMENTS ARE AT ISSUE. Using ancient pictures does not justify YOUR current PATHETIC, HYPOCRITICAL statements endorsing child killers and kidnappers.

I'm endorsing those that are throwing the US government out of Iraq, they're doing something that benefits America and Americans. What they do to each other has no relationship to the US government's being in Iraq, these internecine fights between factions in Iraq were unleashed by the US government, who could care less how many Iraqis, or US soldiers for that matter, die in the process.

So, no, it's not about my comments at all; it is about the ruthless, bloodsoaked US government; killing others for their own good for more than 140 years.

Of course you "fail to see", that's the problem isn't it?

You haven't been able to connect the actions of the yankee dynasty named Bush with what happened to the South all those years ago. That's sad, perhaps you'll learn before it's too late.

There's a hedge school in Abbeville, you might consider attending it.

Another massive digression on your part STILL doesn't justify your statements. And your arguements are not only weak they are off the wall and sick. The fact that you don't see how sick they are is even more troubling.

You can't even explain what "Freedom" these so called "Freedom Fighters" are fighting for!!! And you justify them killing their fellow Iraqis by callling them "Collaborationists".

FACT: The Civil War ended 140 years ago. It's got NOTHING...absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq

FACT: Don Quixote tiliting at windmills didn't make them giants...no matter how much you want to believe they are.

My statements are wholly justified in the face of the ruthless, lawless US government's murder of tens of thousands in your name. You think that the mutilation of two US government soldiers is worse than the blown apart, into little shreds with their intestines strewn on the ground, Iraqi's, by the force of US government bombs and the civil war unleashed by the US government. I'll say it again, it is you who are not facing the reality of the bloodsoaked US government's activities in Iraq, and Afghanistan. The US government routinely, that's ROUTINELY, mutilates humans in Iraq. That you don't know that is of no consequence to me.

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You can't even explain what "Freedom" these so called "Freedom Fighters" are fighting for!!! And you justify them killing their fellow Iraqis by callling them "Collaborationists".

Other than to throw the US government out of Iraq, I don't care what they're fighting for, are you getting this yet? What they are or are not fighting for is none of your, or my, business. The US government unleashed these people, it must take the blame for their actions.

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FACT: The Civil War ended 140 years ago. It's got NOTHING...absolutely NOTHING to do with Iraq.

The War Against Southern Freedom has everything to do with Iraq. You're ignorance of this fact is irrelevant to me.

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FACT: Don Quixote tiliting at windmills didn't make them giants...no matter how much you want to believe they are.

You are pathetically ignorant of the world around you, and you pull Don Quixote into an argument to bolster your position. Now that's funny.

Problem is that he thinks that the Civil War is still going on and that the South will rise again. Delusional as usual...

You have to understand that Pat is OBSESSED with the civil war. He is locked in an infinite loop and every position he takes is based in the civil war. If pushed long enough it always comes back to this.

So Pat, did the south use the same tactics to "fight for their freedom" that you say you would use? You are always going on about how the north was the invader.... did the southern freedom fighters resort to torture and beheading's and attacks on southern civilians?

Ask any University historian, liberal or conservative matters not, what the pivotal event in American history was and get back to me with their answer. Here's a hint, it won't be the election of any president in the 20th century nor will it be World War Two.

The War Against Southern Freedom affects every Americans life today. If you don't know that, then that's your problem, not mine.

Of course, that's was when the US government was taken over almost completely by corporate interests, the beginning of unConstitutional government, the beginning of unlimited "total war" against civilian populations, the wholesale destruction of food supply infrastructure, and the leveling of cities by the US government. Worst of all, it was the beginning of the militarization of the American civilian population.

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So Pat, did the south use the same tactics to "fight for their freedom" that you say you would use? You are always going on about how the north was the invader.... did the southern freedom fighters resort to torture and beheading's and attacks on southern civilians?

No, the US government did that. Read about the US government POW camp in Chicago for an example.

Do not need a hint, believe that most would say that it was the American Revolution, where we gained our freedom from England. At this point in time we started forging ahead, and not tied to another country.

You are the one obsessed with the Civil War, not the historians.

We are still trying to identify your problem, but we are all glad that its all yours and not spreading to the general popluation.

NO??? Why not? You yourself said it would be justified. This is the logic you use when cheering US solders being desecrated (not just killed) in Iraq.

Irrelevant. We are talking about the "defender" committing these things.

WHY would the south not do this? You are the one that argues that they are "legitimate targets" and all. Come on you can do it....

Looks like Santorum was FOS:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13480264/

Based on the results of what the Southerns did do, and the the 12 year reign of terror after the war usually refered to as Reconstrucition, it's clear those tactics should have been used. Robert E. Lee himself said if he'd known what his surrender at Appomatox would lead to he'd have continued on, waging what we call a guerrila war.

So, in answer, yes, the Southerner's should have waged war against the invader with extreme prejudice.

Lets see, they found over 500 rounds containing deadly gas or active agents that are classified WMD. How does this make it FOS?

Funny how Slopat does not want to comment on my reply. Guess when he is wrong he looks the other way.

On the subject of the recently found WMD’s, could you imagine if Bush had stood up before the world and said:

“We know there are some canisters of degraded chemical weapons, left over from before the ’91 war, that aren’t really that dangerous anymore, and we want to start a war so that Saddam will never use them.”