No, it's flawed Republican ideology and vitriol to think terrorism can be isolated or somehow coaxed out onto a field and shot like fish in a barrel.

Sears Tower and Miami show that terrorism is an amorphic body. It can crop up anywhere - Robert Mueller, head of the FBI is saying this right now. Terrorism can be plotted right now in any public or private place in America.

What's ironic is Mueller has thanked Torrance, LA, Toronto and other police departments, as well as private citizens for their help, but NOT the Administration for their wire tapping of people in the U.S.

But the administration somehow thinks the lion's share of terrorism is in Iraq. Sure, a lion's share of oil is in Iraq, but no one under Bush is going to reveal that to the public, will they?

Any one heard any more about this crew? I am curious how many converted to Islam while in prison.

I have several people I know who work at various federal and state prisons, and apparently the Muslims come in and preach the word of the religion of peace in these facilities. More than one is convinced that the next wave of terrorist attacks will come with ex-cons, converted while doing time, acting as foot soldiers

Yeah, so much for 'fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here...'

This all sounds suspiciously like Padilla -- the guy Ashcroft caught, whose biggest crime was that he uttered the words "dirty bomb." He had no means of creating a 'dirty bomb' but it was important, politically, to time the announcement of Padilla's apprehension and issue an "alert." I wonder if the political timing had anything to do with this one.... nah. Couldn't be.

Impromptu phone call poll into CNN revealed ninety percent of callers believe the whole Sears Tower/Miami situation is blown far out of proportion, and those involved ARE NOT a serious threat.

Those who still watch CNN are the loony left and the ignorant (or both) segment of the population, so those results are no surprise. If they had a poll asking if explosives brought down the WTC building, you would have gotton a similar result.

Face facts, will you? Overzealous informant, overzealous FBI, both of whom were quick to judge, and all for nothing. Even Fox reported it was blown out of proportion.

Now, no one cares, whether they are on the loony left or the repulsive right.

More than that, it was totally manufacturered by government; there was no threat.

Tamil Tigers - the most prolific suicide bombers the world has right now - are not Muslim.

I reckon those guys would have never aspired to conspire with Al Qaeda and bomb anything, if it wasn't for the poorly prosecuted "war on terror"...

My apologies. I didn't know you worked for the justice department and were privy to all the facts about the case.

914:
Then what do you call those who religiously believe everything said by the minions of Rupert Murdock?

'Tis folly to believe any source to the exclusion of other sources. They ALL have an axe to grind ($$$$$$$$$$$)

Mature response in light of an inability to admit you and yours are wrong. :rolleyes:

What's your point? I don't give a rip about any of them, some are just loaded with more crap than others.

You can't prove me wrong... You just want to wait for people to get killed then have another commission to investigate what Bush did wrong.

There is no right or wrong. There is simply the need for eternal vigilance. Mistakes will be made, and hopefully be made on the side of caution. Despite the rhetoric to the contrary, the world is more dangerous than it was five short years ago. We should ask ourselves why and then act appropriately rather than going off in all directions at once.

914..My comment was made to point out that your post singled out CNN. Your later post clarifies your meaning.

I think we agree, if we were sitting down over a beer. I don't like this Miami situation getting politicized one way or the other. If these bastards were up to no good - and maybe the only damage they could have done was blow up a storage shed - they need to be taken out of commission. Oklahoma City proved what damage a couple of nuts can do. Throw in a half-dozen and a crazy religious belief, then you've got the potential for a lot more damage.

To paraphrase Christ:

"The nutcases we will always have with us"

ALL GOD ARE A HOAX
YOURS TOOO


BTW LOOKS LIKE THIS WHOLE IS A FBI HOAX
no bombs or stuff to make one
no real plans

sounds like sadams WMDs

Gee thanks Frankenstein, "Ugghhhhhhh FIRE.....BAAAAAAAD"

We have a real rocket scientist there, don't we?

More on this:

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The Usefulness of Fear Posted by Lew Rockwell at 01:24 PM The easiest path to state growth is to "scare the Hell out of the American people," as Sen. Arthur Vandenberg famously advised Harry Truman, who was planning to start the Cold War and worried about garnering public support. No more Red Scare now, of course. We are supposed to get the chills over them Ay-rabs, and anyone who can be connected to them, no matter how implausibly. Police states typically use the agent provocateur to urge opponents of the regime to commit crimes, at which point they can be arrested amidst great fanfare. Did that happen in Miami? I don't know, but the ghetto kids held up for our shivering apparently never got beyond loose talk. Gonzalez, are we really supposed to worry about these poor pomade-salesmen-by-day, play-soldiers-by-night? They asked the pretend al-Qaeda (real federal) agent for shoes! Re: The Usefulness of Fear Posted by Daniel McAdams at 03:38 PM Lew: From the indictment, it looks like Deputy Attorney General Pistone's real beef against these guys was: Quote: "They did not believe that the government of the United States had legal authority over them. They were separatists in the sense of not believing that the U.S. government had the legal authority to enforce certain laws against them." Smells more like Waco than WTC... No word on whether it was in fact the US agent undercover "al-quaeda" representative who first suggested the Sears Towers to our shoeless "warriors." Oddly, these big scares seem to happen in summer and autumn every two years on even-numbered years... Fear-Mongering Posted by Butler Shaffer at 08:42 PM Lew, it's not only the people who are connected with Al-Qaeda that we are supposed to fear, but those who have no such connection whatsoever. After all, "they" -- never "us" -- conspire to do vicious things, and the lack of any evidence to connect people to destructive purposes only shows how effective their conspiracy is, right? Amateurs are probably clumsy enough to leave evidence of their wrongdoing. The really dangerous people are those who carry out their deeds without leaving evidence. So, in what passes for "reasoning" in this post-Orwellian world, it is those for whom there is absolutely no evidence of terrorist participation that the state will ask us to fear.

The God, Lew Rockwell, speaks!

Based on the quality of your posts, I would expect Lew might appear as a God, but to me he's just a very talented thinker, economist, and writer.

What would you know, you're so brainwashed by the dribble posted on that site. Lew's got you and a few more useful idiots such as yourself in the palm of his hand. He can post any far-fetched garbage and like a gullible fish, you take it hook, line and sinker. The rest of us in the more sane, rational world just laugh at your silly copy/pastes.

I always thought fish were just hungry. Gullible gives them far too much credit.

The Booboise speaks.

so those insurgents are quite normal then?!

i think you need to book a flight to Baghdad , and go tell em Noah...somebody has to..

and 100% of those calling in did not have adequate information to form an opinion.

So if they caught Timothy McVeigh on his way to Home Depot or wherever to buy a truck full of fertilizer he was not a serious threat, after all, he did not have any explosives yet. When Clinton was President, Osama bin Laden was not a serious threat either by this logic.

Why in the world did they catch these guys? Don't they have better things to do? I mean, they could be out catching somone going 50MPH in a 45MPH zone!

The Boob speaks.

Thanks for the red herring argument, when what is really at work here is racial profiling, which was part of many decisions these guys were less a threat than the FBI bolstered them up to be.

And I'm sure these days no one would second guess some cracker buying a truckload of dung from Home Depot as opposed to a guy with a good tan and Mideast accent.

Again, racial profiling.

Again, when old women start blowing things up, they can start strip searching them at airports with my blessing. Until then, as a well known Bank Robber once said when asked why he robbed banks, he replied, "that is where they keep the money" Well over 99% of the terorist types on this planet fit this profile. Smart money is on the next terrorist act committed against Americans being by a muslim.

Oh and the point of my "red herring" was to point out the fallacy of waiting until everything is in place to blow something up, or worse, until debris is flying around and people are wondering how this could have happened.

You can oppose racial profiling because it is "wrong" if you like, but if you know for certain that 99% of the people you are looking for are going to be male, middle eastern descent and talk funny, who would you be talking to? (assuming you were in law enforcement)

Oh, and a little bonus question for you. Say you are driving around lost in one of the sketchier areas in LA with your family, you see a group of young black males with red doo rags. Do you stop and ask them for directions, or do you think, man those guys look like gangbangers?

I have an answer to whatever your response is, yes or no.

1.You racist, profiling SOB, you are as bad as a cop.

2.You are not being truthful.

Again, you're showing your ignorance. "99%"? Where'd you get that figure? "Know for certain?" Seriously? As it was "known for certain" where the WMDs were?

There have been several cases of plain ol' American folk well-sided with what these fundamentalists are procurring or threatening to procure on American interest. They are hardly dark-skinned and their diction is probably better than yours or mine.

Now, as to your (loaded) bonus question: you answered it with your own ignorance and fear, to which I'd suggest you venture to L.A. and see that those "sketchier" areas are hardly at all what is witnessed in the media.

But then I read your signature line...

And I thought this is a guy from Carmichael, calling them...what was it...doo rags but also announcing that his mother has given him directives on talking to his girlfriend before she became his ex-wife.

Well, provided that insight into your life, if it were you who was lost in one of the sketchier parts of L.A., I'd say there's a strong chance those do-ragged blacks would pull you from your car and beat the ***** out of you...

...but only out of mercy, not from some sort of racially motivated black-on-white hatred. ;)

Oooooh, I do believe you sank that harpoon clean up to the wood.

I do believe that pat has a point when he quotes a source that claims government creates imaginary hobgoblins to frighten people. This BB proves the hypothesis.

And just think, H. L. Mencken said that in regard to presidents elected in the 1930's and before.

All of this crap isn't anything new, it's why Mencken called the average population the booboise.

Quite amazing thinking you have going on there, Bob. Obvious acts of terrorism worldwide (do you remember the London bombings of one year ago?), yet you accept the imaginary hobgoblin of human-induced global warming without hesitation.

Yes.

Actually, just a reverse of the procedure that they used to get here. Pack up their stuff and put 'em on a plane and say "You're not welcome here anymore. Buh-Bye." It may take twenty years or so to complete but it would be very doable. Asian countries (like Saudi Arabia) do such things all the time.

Saudi Arabia is an Asian country? :confused: