Lew Rockwell is gonna love this

[techweenie]

I hadn't heard of this before tonight:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/americafreedomtofascism/trailer/

[RoninLB]

I'm sure its good but it took a few minutes to figure out Quick Time 7 is required. NG on my ancient ME program.

thx anyway. It sure as hell looks interesting.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by RoninLB
I'm sure its good but it took a few minutes to figure out Quick Time 7 is required. NG on my ancient ME program.

thx anyway. It sure as hell looks interesting.

Sorry. I'll see if I can find a wmv version...

EDIT: here you go
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

[RoninLB]

America: Freedom to Fascism


wow.. fastpat's dream come true movie.

we'll hear his comments "coming soon" to a thread near you.


thx

[fastpat]

Some things I have to let y'all discover for yourselves.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/****_home/2006/Apr-30-Sun-2006/opinion/6704537.html

[RoninLB]

good synopsis

[Seahawk]

I have followed Russo's efforts over the years...the article Pat linked is an excellent summation of Russo's position on taxation.

I don't subscribe to all his goals, but I hope some form of honest debate on taxes results from his efforts.

[cashflyer]

I'm certainly no fan of taxes - especially since, as a business owner, I am subject to double taxation on all revenue. But for all those who say that the government has no law requiring us to pay an income tax, I have to ask: Isn't that covered under the 16th amendment and under CFR 26 ?

CFR 26 § 1.1-1 Income tax on individuals.
(a) General rule. (1) Section 1 of the Code imposes an income tax on the income of every individual who is a citizen or resident of the United States...

[Seahawk]

Originally posted by cashflyer
I'm certainly no fan of taxes - especially since, as a business owner, I am subject to double taxation on all revenue. But for all those who say that the government has no law requiring us to pay an income tax, I have to ask: Isn't that covered under the 16th amendment and under CFR 26 ?

I am not always a fan of Wikipedia, but in this case the information is well stated and details the controvery surrounding the 16th Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitut ion

Can't get the link to work...do a Wiki search on the 16th Amendment.

[cashflyer]

Okay... what I come away with after reading that is that the 16th did not create the power to tax, but only clarified that power. The power to tax lay in the constitution itself, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1.

And an exercise of that power is 26CFR.

[Seahawk]

Originally posted by cashflyer
Okay... what I come away with after reading that is that the 16th did not create the power to tax, but only clarified that power. The power to tax lay in the constitution itself, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1.

And an exercise of that power is 26CFR.

With all respect, because the folks who will get my money interpreted things their way (shocking), doesn't mean they understood the framers intent.

I'll pay for ALL of the provisions in Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution, except: "General Welfare"

U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 8
Article 1 - The Legislative Branch
Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

[scottmandue]

What is this "Constitution" thingie you guys keep going on about?

You make it sound like really important or something. If it was I'm sure they would have told me about it in school.

[techweenie]

Originally posted by scottmandue
What is this "Constitution" thingie you guys keep going on about?

"It's just a goddamned piece of paper."

[scottmandue]

Oh papers... you mean like rolling papers? Gee I guess it really is important.

[914GT]

Originally posted by techweenie
"It's just a goddamned piece of paper."

I'd like a verifiable source confirming that remark was made by Bush. The person who started it was some 'journalist' by the name of Doug Thompson. Searches on it only show up on numerous moonbat lefty blogs, so I seriously doubt that it's accurate.

[Moses]

Ellen Tauscher, D. U.S. Rep.;

"The Constitution was never meant to be the only set of laws that we follow. I had a blue dress when I was five, but I can't wear it because it doesn't fit me anymore."

[fintstone]

Obviously the Constitution allowed taxes in this country. The 16th Amendment simply established a new tax on income. It is quite a ridiculous and unfair way to collect revenue as it tends to punish folks for being successful and/or hard work. It was sold as a temporary measure...but as we know, once someone (gvt included) get their hand in your pocket...you cannot ever get them to take it our of their own free will.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by fintstone
Obviously the Constitution allowed taxes in this country. The 16th Amendment simply established a new tax on income.

Not according to the Supreme court in the mentioned cases. The SCOTUS ruled that the 16th Amendment did NOT establish any new taxing power.

It is quite a ridiculous and unfair way to collect revenue as it tends to punish folks for being successful and/or hard work. It was sold as a temporary measure...but as we know, once someone (gvt included) get their hand in your pocket...you cannot ever get them to take it our of their own free will.

Payroll deductions were temporary as well, now they arrest you if you try to stop them, yet it's perfectely legal to file to stop the deductions.

[scottmandue]

Edited for comic effect:

Originally posted by fintstone
but as we know, once someone get their hand in your pocket...you cannot ever get them to take it our of their own free will.

You say that like it is a bad thing.