Did I suggest that? I suggested hindsight is nothing more than hindsight. I offer that this is no time to take sides with the enemy within or, therefore, aid and abet the enemy without. Warfare is imperfect and always will be. So should we take sides with the enemy within and start undercutting our morale and the morale of the troops?...No, we should not -- Were errors made?...Stupid question -- Have these errors been significantly less than our previous successful wars?...Most freakin' definitely -- Should we spend our time, aiding the Democrats, undercutting our President?...Gee, I hope not.

I am going to go ahead and stay loyal to the team. I will go ahead and take into account that they are imperfect, and always will be...I will not give ground to the treasonous scum of the Democrat party, and thereby work to further the interests of the Islamic enemy...This is what undermining the war does. The world-wide enemy sees that the RATs are working against the country, and so they blow themselves up, and the innocent, and make it APPEAR like it is what it is not.

We, at least the Republicans and military, must stand united against the scum of the left and their friends in the ME...No ground should be given...I am loyal, are you?

Don't hold your breath...On second thought...

What a simple ass you can be...I took an oath to support and defend the constitution and have stood by that oath through some perilous times.

What has made our military so capable have been those that question, both in times of war and in the post war wash-ups. The lessons of battles lost are always more valuable than those learned in victory.

Loyalty is never in question...but it doesn't render me mute.

Second guessing helps nobody. The war was justified, the enemy is real and the solution is complex. This war, by all objective measures, is the most successfully waged in our history...This war has been rendered near impotent, hamstrung, Vietnam style, by the Democrats and the Republicans who cower-tow, Chinese style, to the RATs and their media whores.

History will be the judge. I have faith that your opinion will be judged less than accurate...IMnotHO.

The Army increased by nearly half the rate at which it granted what it calls "moral waivers" to potential recruits. Mul's conservative Republican army=moral waivers?

The share of Army recruits who received “moral waivers” for criminal records increased last year and through the first half of 2006 by 15 percent from 10 percent or 11 percent before the war, according to statistics released this week. (According to the Pentagon, the number of waivers in 2001 totaled 7,640. The figure increased to 11,018 in 2005, and for the first six months of this fiscal year totaled 5,636.)

go get em mul...SmileWavy

Give it up, Mul.

You are out of your league here.

Seahawk?....When the enemy start running your defense you know you are wrong.

I'm not "the enemy" Mul.

I'm an American citizen that loves his country, just like all those other people you slander on a daily basis.

You're not "the enemy" either, but you are as un-American and sleazy as they come.

When ObL took those towers down, Mul, he was counting on guys like you to finish his work. He was counting on ignorant asses that turn on their fellow Americans, instead of focusing on the enemy.

You are a pathetic tool furthering the cause of radical Islam.

Re: Democrats using soldier's coffins in advertisement
 

So?

Both Mul and fintstone are loyal to government, this government in particular, rather than the Constitution and the idealogy bound up in it; and they're not loyal to America at all.

But he took an oath too....to battle evil here on OT. As he's stated before, that is more important than what our military is doing on the ground...

PFC of the 101st Fighting Keyboardists to be accurate.

Mul calling me "the enemy" ticked me off pretty good.

What do we do with people like Mul and fint? I'm serious ... not here but in general. What do we do with people that love freedom so much they will throw you in jail without a trial if you disagree with them?

Recognizing your satire; I must say that neither of Mul or fintstone love freedom, neither love America, nor American ideals. They are both profound statists, fully and completely in love with the notion of an all powerful state to whom all must be obedient. They love the archaic notion of Pax Romanae, the Pax Americana. Under that concept, the US government should have the power to go anyplace, anytime, and do anything it thinks is necessary to accomplish some goal that same government has identified as desirable. That is a core value of fascism; do anything without moral of ethical hinderances.

semper ascii!

Dude, I've been mowing. I leave tomorrow for Europe and beyond. So I took the day off to get stuff done. After that, I am taking some leave to go get the boat I bought from the Lubemaster. My regret is that he'll be on vacation and I won't get to meet him...I'm hoping the 'Flag Lady" will be his second.:cool:

I require zero aid or defense. Do not project your fears on me.

I support the effort in Iraq and elsewhere and believe the cause is just. If any of the other posters have truck with that, fine. As much as I distain Bush, I have equal enmity for liberal cant and distortion. But for the the life of Brian, why has Bush made it so f'ing effortless for the folks across the aisle!?!

Part and parcel of their argument has been the failure of Bush to weight the effort, plan for it, and COMMUNICATE the magnificent effort and equally magnificent result should we be successful. They are right. No amount of hysterics will change that, nor will blamming the media...Bush should have known and planned for it.

What you fail to grasp is that the honest appraisel on conduct of the war is different from not supporting the effort.

Mistakes have been made. Learn from them.

For clarity, this was intended for IslandDude and in no way directed to SeaHawk...I in no way was suggesting SeaHawk a traitor...albeit he, with this topic, sings in tune with the left swine (by which I mean the scum lawyers who concoct the leftist drivel of dissension and division).

At home we need a united front, but it seems divisionist politics are, once again, tearing at the heart of the country. That divisionist politic is a strategem that suits the enemy, it should not be something that Americans should engage in.

Divide and conquer is fine during peacetime internal politics; not cool in wartime, not from within...We should not be having to fight two enemies, from without and within, and unfortunately this is Bush's battle, two-pronged, more successful abroad than at home.

Hey gang...Glad to be back and to see that nothing has changed.

After reading some of the nonsense from fint and mull, I have the distinct feeling that if they had their way, many of us would be lined up against the wall and shot as "treasonous" and "Traitorous".

Anyone up to buying these two jackboots?

fint..I am still amazed, with your wordly experience,how short your memory re: political ads from both sides. Yes, I remember all the way back to the Goldwater/Johnson years, and even a bit further back.. I remember the ads both ways over the years, always based on emotion as a way to sway the public, just as you do with hyperbole and false indignation. To ever admit you could be wrong on anything would result in a personal meltdown of apocolyptic proportions. To ever look at something objectively would be, for you, at the very least,a struggle.

mull, I rarely address you directly but in this case...You do not speak for the military. You do not speak for the majority of Americans. In fact, you speak for only one person, a delusional, little troglodyte who would be the first to run from any form of physical confrontation. You could profit from some real world life experience, but that ain't gonna happen.....

There are others, to a lesser degree, that fall into the category of "far right wing" apologists, but you two are the standard bearers!! The hate for anything or anyone that does not fit into your narrow pseudo-patriotic thinking. And, that is sad, since the only way one can broaden their understanding of a situation is to at least consider in an open manner other points of view.

The "bad guys" have a far better probability of "winning" every time we, as a nation, allow ourselves to be divided by hate and the desire of a few to wield power for the sake of power; thinking of the short term rather than the long term.

Whar we need is to LISTEN to each other, FORGET the partisan rancor, DEVELOP a plan of action, and ACT. Anyone see a problem with that approach?

Great to be back.......

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