Formula Vee... Formula P ??

[Jims5543]

At the Bay Bottom Crawl there was a Formula Ford with a Turbo added. It was insanely fast and the car to beat all weekend long. Gapping everyone else be over 2 seconds.

I began to ponder an older Star Mazda with the non-turbo motor pulled and a Turbo one in its place. Maybe tuned for about 275-300 HP. That would be fun.

[David]

If you put a larger motor in a formula vee chasis, I don't think you'd be competative in any autocross class. I would imagine you'd be in Bmod or worse Amod.

[cashflyer]

Originally posted by 125shifter
If you put a larger motor in a formula vee chasis, I don't think you'd be competative in any autocross class. I would imagine you'd be in Bmod or worse Amod.

I watched a standard FV at an autox this past weekend (which is what got me interested...). They placed him in A.MOD.

The big drawback would be that if you drop in a bigger engine, you are no longer legal for FV.

[GDSOB]

Originally posted by cashflyer
I watched a standard FV at an autox this past weekend (which is what got me interested...). They placed him in A.MOD.

The big drawback would be that if you drop in a bigger engine, you are no longer legal for FV.

A standard vee should be classed in F Mod.

[cashflyer]

Just wanted to comment on that air-cooled Formula Vee pictured in this thread...


According to an article I ran across today, Formula Continental includes the air-cooled versions of Formula Super Vee, Formula Ford 2000, and any of what used to be Formula C.

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by trekkor

A friend of mine used to race Vee's years ago.
They rebuild their motors after every couple of races.
Most guys carry a spare with them.
They make 60 HP with a single port VW motor.

They run at 7000+ RPMS and can run Sears at a 1:51 !!

A true momentum car.
My friend said if you brake or lift, three cars will go by you!

We're supposed to rebuild his car from the ground up.
I want to a/x or DE the thing. He wants to renew his license and race it again.


KT

The Vee is mine now.
I did a work trade for it.

I'll have it home soon.


KT

[widebody911]

Originally Posted by trekkor

The Vee is mine now.
I did a work trade for it.
I'll have it home soon.

Down the road from Sears
You track days will be much fun
And a lot cheaper

[trekkor]

I see what we did there...


KT

[trekkor]

Start of my project!:








KT

[wdfifteen]

If you want more power the Porsche would be fun, but you get more ponies per dollar with a hot-rodded VW motor.
What is it with the gearhead instinct to take something without power and add power to it, rather than just getting a more powerful car/truck/racer to begin with? I've done it - always ended up spending more money and, yeah, having more fun than if I'd just bought something with a bigger stock motor. Just can't leave well enough alone. I used to drill out the carburetors on the family lawnmower. Pissed my dad off to no end.

[cashflyer]

Since this thread has been revived, I will update my situation.
Thread was started in 2006.
In May 2007 I purchased two formula vee cars, pictured below. The green one is a Zink and the blue chassis is a Beech (Beach?) Photos were taken on the day I bought them and still have the previous owners name and graphics.




I raced the green one in solo vee for the rest of the 2007 season. The blue one ran and drove fine, but I just stuck with the green one since it had the zero roll suspension setup and faster engine.

I then sold them both in the spring of 2008 around the same time I sold my house and moved.

I don't know what kind of horsepower it puts out (1600cc dual port with weber IDF) but I had a LOT of fun in that car. Never brought home a single trophy, but for some reason I wish I still had it to play around in.

[jhynesrockmtn]

My Zink that I run in SOVREN vintage in the PNW. We run pre 70 monoposto rules, single port, 1200cc, built engines that aren't too exotic run about 55hp I believe. There are certainly faster cars out there but no closer racing and no better group of guys to do it with. Oh, and no cheaper way to go vintage racing which is becoming more and more of a concern for me. I thought when I got in to this sport I was going to build up a 912 or 911 and still have that project car but I don't think I could afford that over time with the cost and frequency of engine work.

[trekkor]

Originally Posted by cashflyer

I don't know what kind of horsepower it puts out (1600cc dual port with weber IDF) but I had a LOT of fun in that car. Never brought home a single trophy, but for some reason I wish I still had it to play around in.

I want to do something like this.

I have two sets of wheels, 8x13 and 10x13.
I will need the four lug drums to do this.

Should dominate the local autocross scene.


KT

[cashflyer]

My wheels were from Keizer (Keizer Aluminum Wheels : We Expect The Results You Dream About)
You might want to consider disc brakes rather than drums.
Of course, check the GCR and see if they are legal - i can't remember.

Lots of parts and complete cars can be found here: Race Car Supply
And they also have a forum: http://formulavee.org/interchange

[URY914]

A car with a 50 year old suspension design won't dominate anything no matter how wide the tires are.

[trekkor]

This is what the car looked like when I brought back to Napa 6 years ago.


KT

[cashflyer]

Originally Posted by URY914

A car with a 50 year old suspension design won't dominate anything no matter how wide the tires are.

A vee with good rubber and a good driver will dominate the autox, unless a F500 shows up.

[URY914]

Originally Posted by cashflyer

A vee with good rubber and a good driver will dominate the autox, unless a F500 shows up.

Sorry but no it won't.

[trekkor]

I think it has a chance to take TTOD at any PCA event.


KT

[Schumi]

Having raced modern small bike engined cars and shifter karts and even an A-mod at SCCA autocross (including nationals) I can confirm that no, an FV will not take TTOD at a competitive autocross.

A good judge of performance for cars in the classes is the PAX index for adjusted top times- 1.000 is the fastest recorded times, everything is normalized from that. Every year, either A-mod cars or FSAE cars post the fastest times at nationals. The rest of the top times in each class are normalized.

http://home.comcast.net/~paxrtp/results/nationals/2011_nationals.pdf

PAX for the class most FV cars would be in would be about .900


That doesn't mean it's not damn fun to drive one.