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Mother gives daughter to boyfriend for sex

Another one that could be cured with a bullet. No need to waste taxpayer money.

MUSKEGON HEIGHTS, Michigan (AP) -- A woman who feared she would lose her boyfriend while she recuperated from surgery arranged for her 15-year-old daughter to have sex with him, authorities said.

Police said the three signed an agreement specifying the sexual services the girl would perform and the compensation she would receive, including clothing and body piercings. The 37-year-old man and the girl had sex about 20 times over two months, police said.

"It's incredible that any parent would be involved in such a blatant case of abuse against her own daughter," prosecutor Tony Tague told The Muskegon Chronicle for a story published Thursday.

Authorities investigated after the girl talked to another adult, said police Detective Calvin Mahan.

The woman was freed on $25,000 bond after being arraigned on three counts of third-degree criminal sexual conduct.

The boyfriend, Michael J. Fitzgibbon, was being held without bail. He was arraigned last week on six counts of first-degree criminal sexual conduct.

It was unclear Thursday whether Fitzgibbon had an attorney.

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Money drives everything - what's your price?

Guess if she was rich and recieved much larger gifts we would all be asked to approve and laugh at the fool who gave away his house or expensive car.

No, she and her mother sold her for far less than market value - guilty as charged.

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Muskegon Heights compared to Michigan state average:

* Median house value significantly below state average.
* Unemployed percentage above state average.
* Black race population percentage significantly above state average.
* Median age below state average.
* Percentage of population with a bachelor's degree or higher significantly below state average.
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That is beyond wrong. Scum of the earth. I hope evolution takes its course.
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A guy I knew was kicked out of his house when he was 18 because he was fighting with his step dad over touching his little sisters.

The mom aided in the booting him from the house telling him he was not going to screw up her marraige. She looked the other way and let the scumbag molest her daughters.

I found out about this years later. My friend is carreer Army, I want to say special forces. Joining the Army was his only choice he was living on the street and hiding it from all of us.

I wish we would have known about that scumbag back then he could have used a "visit".
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(Playing the devil's advocate for our liberal friends on this board) What is so wrong with this? The 15 year old obviously consented to this arrangement. In the purest sense of sexual freedom, it is indeed her body to do with as she pleases. Hell, her 15 year old boyfriend(s) has (have) been taught how to put on a condom for a number of years by now. She has been told, repeatedly in public school, that her private life is just that. No one has any business quetioning her choices. Where is the victim here? No victim, no crime, right? Geez, she got the piercing and tats she always wanted out of this, didn't she? She presumably had her mom's permission to get them, if she needed that at all. No one was hurt; I'm not seeing the crime here. (Done playing devil's advocate.)

So I guess society still does impose morals through the rule of law. We all draw the line somewhere. This story is, of course, reprehensible. To most of us anyway. I'm waiting for our esteemed supporters of individual freedoms to side with this illustrious trio and explain to us why it is not.
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Well, we gotta give you credit for at least trying, Jeff. You see, the Liberals believe things are OK between consenting adults and if there isn't a victim, but @ 15, she's not a consenting adult, you see?

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A 15 year-old who "needs" body piercings... just confirms my opinion of teens who have them (and the parents who allow them)... Trailer trash.
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Well, we gotta give you credit for at least trying, Jeff. You see, the Liberals believe things are OK between consenting adults and if there isn't a victim, but @ 15, she's not a consenting adult, you see?

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She's only not a consenting adult in your Judeo-Christian mind...girls get married off a whole lot younger than 15 in many cultures.

You guys are so close-minded...
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She's only not a consenting adult in your Judeo-Christian mind...girls get married off a whole lot younger than 15 in many cultures.
That's true - in Tejas, the age of consent is what, 9? 8 if it's your sister...
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In Canada the age of consent is 14. They are working to change that, some terrible stories mothers are disclosing - they have no legal rights to protect their children with.

We just need a Libertarian to come into the conversation - freemarket and all that.
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Rush was banging 15 y/o Dominican chicks and no one cared. So whats the difference.

Prostitution is prostitution, this girl was being compensated for sex, the only difference here is he wasn't handing her cash. Or flying to a 3rd worl Carribean Island to get laid.
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That's true - in Tejas, the age of consent is what, 9? 8 if it's your sister...
Yep...heck fire, sheep are good to go at one year!!!

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Rush was banging 15 y/o Dominican chicks and no one cared. So whats the difference.

Prostitution is prostitution, this girl was being compensated for sex, the only difference here is he wasn't handing her cash. Or flying to a 3rd worl Carribean Island to get laid.
Yikes..........that's the other half of the story I never heard before.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Rush+Dominican+prostitute&btnG=Google+Search
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Well, we gotta give you credit for at least trying, Jeff. You see, the Liberals believe things are OK between consenting adults and if there isn't a victim, but @ 15, she's not a consenting adult, you see?

Thanks for playing!
And a bit more devil's advocate...you see, under current Oregon law, a 15 year old can have an abortion without her parents having a clue. Isn't that considered being a consenting adult?

Yeah, liberalism does get confusing at times....
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She's only not a consenting adult in your Judeo-Christian mind...girls get married off a whole lot younger than 15 in many cultures.

You guys are so close-minded...
Exactly. I just love it how they return to the default setting of old-world values when the act is deemed offensive enough. To them.

15 year olds are given far greater legal latitude than most would ever believe. Ask any parent that has tried to deal effectively with a problem teenager. I have seen it time and again within my circles. Truant kids, sexually active kids, drug abusing kids, kids failing in school, not coming home, etc. The parents have almost no authority to deal with them. These kids are taught this in school; at times it seems as though the only lessons the problems kids learn are these. They know their rights and they know their parents' rights, better than their parents know them. I find it remarkable that anyone can express outrage over this 15 year old's actions, much less the adults involved. These kids are legally "adults" in so many ways that they really are not prepared for, so why get so hung up on sex? Everyone draws the line somewhere; everyone wants to "limit personal freedom" to a level that suits them. Even liberals.
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Excellent point Jeff,

How do you guys tapdance around saying that a 15 year old is mature enough to have an abortion without parental consent but not mature enough to have sex with whomever she chooses???
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Exactly. I just love it how they return to the default setting of old-world values when the act is deemed offensive enough. To them.

15 year olds are given far greater legal latitude than most would ever believe. Ask any parent that has tried to deal effectively with a problem teenager. I have seen it time and again within my circles. Truant kids, sexually active kids, drug abusing kids, kids failing in school, not coming home, etc. The parents have almost no authority to deal with them. These kids are taught this in school; at times it seems as though the only lessons the problems kids learn are these. They know their rights and they know their parents' rights, better than their parents know them. I find it remarkable that anyone can express outrage over this 15 year old's actions, much less the adults involved. These kids are legally "adults" in so many ways that they really are not prepared for, so why get so hung up on sex? Everyone draws the line somewhere; everyone wants to "limit personal freedom" to a level that suits them. Even liberals.
Jeff, I couldn't agree more. Our government schools are open sewers that we toss our chilren and our money into. The more parents who discover this, the better!
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I've heard 7th Grade girls talking about taking it up the a$$...but that was back when I was in 7th grade....
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Exactly. I just love it how they return to the default setting of old-world values when the act is deemed offensive enough. To them.
Shouldn't those 'old world values' be in the public domain by now, or did you get the patent on them extended somehow?
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Nice deflection, but you didn't answer the question...

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