Used to be when our boys were in harms way the country stood behind them and above all wanted them to win. Something about the waters edge :rolleyes:


Anyway, the current crop of leaders in Iraq are/were not the mission and the idea is that they elect less radical representatives with each cycle. To expect them to elect Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank right out of the gate is silly, short-sighted, and ignorant. If this is what you expected you're a fool.

Patience and long term dedication is what is needed. The payout is huge, the penalty is even bigger.

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Actually,i do believe than MOST people whopay attention to this kind of thing DO take Hitchens seriously.

Ah yes, the little tykes in Iraq need us to form their beautiful shining democracy. Just look at that precious fellow that happens to be the SPEAKER OF THE IRAQI PARLIAMENT, describing the “insurgents” our men and women die every day fighting:

“I personally think whoever kills an American soldier in defense of his country would have a statue built for him in that country.”

Get over there daddy, he needs your help.

Iraq? No. But when i visit my great uncle's grave in Luxembourg next month, I'll be sure and let him know what you think.

Do you even read other peoples posts?

Awesome comeback daddy. Did you read this?

“I personally think whoever kills an American soldier in defense of his country would have a statue built for him in that country.”

Did I mention that he is THE SPEAKER OF THE IRAQI PARLIMENT?

So what, he's a tool and hopefully will be replaced in the coming cycles. He's not a dictator.

Again, his postition was not the mission.....do you understand that?

These people are ignorant and scared, they're gonna fukc up for a while but hopefully get it right in the end.

So the fact that the leaders of Iraq are calling for the death of American soldiers does nothing to change your analysis, is that really what you want to keep saying?

We are fighting for the people that elected the leaders, not the leaders? If every Iraqi politician called tomorrow for the death of America, that would not change your mind?

You are embarrassing yourself ... just admit that Iraq is a terrorist nation and no more deserves American blood than any other terrorist nation.

We are trying to "fix" Iraq more for our future than theirs. And I just don't share your pessimism. I think that a capitalist free society will turn them, I believe in the system. Its' success world wide is self evident.

Massive changes like this do not however happen overnight. Sorry to fall short of your expectations there:rolleyes:

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I'll only take this one "low hanging fruit" to blow this out. The Niger Uranium "intelligence" was based on documents so obviously forged that everyone who saw them in the professional intelligence agencies refused to accept their veracity, except those at the Office of Special Plans in the Pentagon. Further, the current Italian government is investigating, with criminal charges expected, the man alleged (for now) to have cobbled the documents from whole cloth. So Hitchens assertion about the Niger issue is a complete fraud.

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Hitchens is pretty much of a circuit clown. He gives boozy speeches and creates provocative stances -- like trashing Mother Teresa -- to make a buck.

These days, it's the "right" that's writing the bigger checks. So he gives 'em what they want. He is NOT taken seriously by serious journos.

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He captured the interest of the neo-cons when he wrote tha book on Bill Clinton, and has been their darling ever since. Pretty much underscoring the leftist roots of the neo-cons to accept Hitchens, an avowed socialist.

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He's got a big write up on Wikipedia.

Here's an excerpt:
"Hitchens no longer considers himself a Trotskyist or even a socialist; yet he maintains that his political views have not changed significantly. He points out that, throughout his career, he has been both an atheist and an antitheist, and that he has always remained a believer in the Enlightenment values of secularism, humanism and reason."

The neo-conned must have to hold their noses when they read and promote his stuff. They'd never admit how socialist the neocon agenda is.

I don't know. Are his daughter's hot?

Heck, it is not any worse than some of the posts you and other liberals have made on this BBS...and some of you are Americans...at least technically.

fint shows once again his complete lack of honesty and integrity.

Thanks for reminding us.

Heh, this thread is hilarious. I love how Rodeo (who was all up in arms just a few weeks ago about ILLEGAL DISCLOSURES OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION) now seems to not want to talk about the vicious smearing of Valerie Plame by....oh, one of Colin Powell's boys.

WHOOPS. Sorry George, we really played that one up in the press didn't we. Sorry that we got that story wrong, we'll go on air publicly and apologize and set the record straight (when hell freezes over).

But there really isn't a liberal bias to the press, the press is unbiased and just interested in getting the truth out there. Except for Fox. Those guys are wacko Republican cronies...

I love how the neocons don't want to talk about our guys fighting on behalf of Iraqi leaders that want to erect monuments to Iraqis that KILL our guys.

Shame on you.

The SPEAKER OF THE IRAQI PARLIMENT:

“I personally think whoever kills an American soldier in defense of his country would have a statue built for him in that country.”

Stay the course, asshats.

LOl, what are you six years old? Do you really not recall how you bathed in this story a few months ago? Were our guys not dying then? You sir are indeed the asshat.