Cops love going to court, time and a half to read a magazine.

I've heard cops are required to show up for court, but I've never had one do it. Granted, if I get a ticket these days I ask and usually receive deferred adjudication.

The last time I actually went to court the cop showed up and sat in the little cop area. Then he looked over and saw me. He got up and did something at the court clerk's desk and left. Before court started they called me and another person up and said our case was dismissed. All I can figure is either I look very lawyer like (I'm an engineer) in a suit or he just thought I was a nice guy when he pulled me over (I'm always nice to cops).

According to my sources they are not exactly "required" to show up, but it's highly recommended. In important cases the prosecutor will call the officers they "need" to make their case and assure they are coming (in other words, it's not terribly uncommon to not show)

Your son has more motivation to lie than he trooper does.
He admitted he was speeding but he indicates he believes that breaking a law is a matter of degree as in 4 mph over is OK.

Have him pay the ticket, it will be a cheap lesson in the long run.

it is a matter of degree

no one here can bull**** and say that when the speed limit is 70 thats how fast they go and they never travel above that speed. thats bull****

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Only because thats what you beleive. I drive 35 in a 35. He was knowingly driver 74 in a 70. You do realise how strict they are with limiters in the pit lnaes at races? Over 55MPH? Perhaps you'lle get nailed with a stop and go.

Its hard, as speedometers are so darn unreliable. 40MPH indicated, is 35MPH, but 42MPH indicated, on a local radar things, bringsu p speeds like 45MPH, or higher. I haven't worked out my tach's RPM's to figure out what speed I'm realy going. I know 40 idnicated is truely 35...

I get a nice railroad train of cars behind me on one lane each way roads that are 35MPH. People just don't care for the rules, and come barging down at 45-50MPH, then catch me, and join the train... Its a section a literal 3 minutes long, I can get quite the tail.

So yes - some do indeed drive as close as they can. I as of yet had not had time to find the other speed limits on my speedometer yet.

Well, there are a lot of good ideas here and the expected "suck it up and learn the lesson posts." I guess the problem that I have is this... Let's say we're not talking about my son but instead the situation posted by Tervuren (see the post above). He was travelling at the speed limit, with a train of cars behind hm, and his gauges say he is holding at the speed limit. An officer stops him and tickets him for excessive speed. He can't believe it! The assumption by the "system" is the officer is honest, doing his job, and you are at fault. In this case, the officer was either not honest, his equipment faulty, or Tervuren is lying. So, we can discount the possibility that he is lying, so that leaves ... Tervuren with no recourse and really irritated. That is basically the situation in which my son finds himself. But his situation is compounded by having the ticket written in a state he will likely not be visiting for at least another 6 months.

If anyone knows someone in Indiana my son can speak with, please let me know via PM or response here.

Thanks,
C

Teruven.... Are you related to stevepaa?

Here in Washington state, if you have five or more behind you, you are required to pull over and let them pass. I wish it was enforced better.

My biggest pet peeve is driver's who are not paying attention. A close number two is you.

Usually, the train leaders are also not paying attention. If they are aware of the line up behind them it is very rude to not let them by.

I recently read the factory specs on my BMW M6, one of the most expensive cars BMW produces. At an indicated speed of 70MPH your actual speed can be plus or minus 10% of reading. The error is differen't at diffenen't speeds. That gives a reasonable indication of how accurate a speedo can be and tells you how bull sht the officers ability to visually estimate speed is. Thats the main reason the cops give you a reasonable 9 mph over the limit at this speed before they ticket you. An actual speed of 74 is BS, but check your speedo before you swear you were only doing 74 and NEVER admit to it in court. If your were only doing 74 Fight it. Many car manufacturers try to make their speedos read low to help prevent the problem. My M6, when its indicating 70 is actually doing 72.5mph, thats why when I am driving at an indicated 70 to 72 in a 65 mph zone, I am passing most of the traffic. My MB reads 85 mph at the same speed. All my other cars usually read 4 to 7 mph low at 70. The Caddy is best and is within 2 mph all the way up to the rev limiter cuttoff of 105mph

Tervuren, you're an assh@le. You have no idea who you are holding up. Could be someone going to the hospital to see a family member, or someone taking their kid to the doctor, or a myriad of other things. Just get the hell out of the way and let those in a hurry pass. D$ckhead!

It ain't your job to enforce the traffic laws. Stop playing cop and go to the academy if you want to do so.

Oh sure, it's always "someone on the way to the hospital". I just can't believe how many private ambulances I see each day, all those people on the way to the hospital.

I side with Tervuren. I try to drive the speed limit, and if you don't like it, you can pass me in the next passing zone. And I've _never_ been issued a speeding ticket. Don't like it, tough.

Last year I got an emergency call from the hospital. Someone was trying to bleed to death. Needed surgery immediately. I was 10 miles from the hospital, heading the opposite direction when I got the call. I told the nurses to get the patient to the O.R. and call the blood bank, I'd be there in 10 minutes. Well guess what? Some ass hat in the fast lane (HOV lane) decides that I don't need to drive any faster than the speed limit and won't pull over. Traffic is thick, but there is no one in the HOV lane ahead of this jerk. I flash my lights, turn on my flashers and sound the horn. All I get is a glare in the rearview. Finally there was a small gap and I passed him on the right. He actually sped up a bit to try to prevent me from passing! Self righteous prick could have cost someone their life.

By the way, a high speed run to the hospital is a pretty common thing. If someone looks like they are in a hurry, get the hell out of the way.

Yup, yup.

Generaly though ,you can tell, as they will seriously let you know. Hazard lights, blinking their headlights at you, honking, driving like mad, etc.

I'm not going to respond to the flame bating posts, I don't beleive in feeding trolls. I feel like writing a lot onthe subject, my time right now is more important. Moses, if I saw a car do the actions you did, I would seriously get out of its way, or failing ability to get out of its way, take off like a madman until there was a safe place for them to get by.

Here's a twist:
My brother rode a wheelie past a deputy on his 636 Kawahwatever today on his way to my house. Cop didn't give him a ticket. He said" you know, I could impound the bike and give a reckless riding ticket don't you?" "It's a holiday so I won't."
WTF??!!! He hasn't even got an endorsement.

Moses: If I were to have a person driving a like a nut, flashing his lights and what not come up on me I would move over as well but how is one supposed to know that they are on the way to the hospital to perform surgery? Now, a volunteer firefighter or EMT is another thing as they generally have lights and siren. What if you caused an accident by driving like that?
Don't get me wrong, if it was me or a family member waiting on you, I would want you there ASAP but is there some liability that comes with it?

How would you know what was going on at the tail end of your "train"?

That would be up to the car at the back. I also don't drive an isolated living room, I can hear a horn honk, or whatever. I've heard a Ferrari V8 at mid RPM several hundred feet ahead in four lanes of traffic, my ears picked the sound up. Eventualy, i saw it in a turn lane, and it was indeed a red F430 Spider.(Driven by Jeff G.) I realy realy pay attention to the traffic around me, almost never miss seeing another Porsche. I'm alert enough, I generaly spot at least one each drive into town. At night, I noticed a Maserati Coupe in a duller color going the oppisite way, not the most remarkable looking car to spot under such circumstances.

But what can you expect me to do? The problem is not caused by me, but by others. They do not have to speed through a residential area, and pile up on a car that is going exactly, or one or two over the speed limit.

Most of you, do not know the road I'm talking about. If you are in the Charlotte area, is a section of Carmel road before it dead ends into Fairview. The section starts with two lanes after a light, going into 35MPH from a 45MPH, clearly posted, the right lane continues for about 800 feet, before becoming a right turn only, and dead ending. The 35MPH is clearly, and consiley posted, in more then one area over the road. When entering this section, I have typicly been observing the driver's around me, and have noticed which seem to be in a hurry. Its a simple matter then, of sliding into the right lane, and waving them by, soem take it, others don't. From that ponit on though, its tough luck. Its ot that long, has one stoplight, then opens back up to two lanes just before the second.

I am not going to go into speed limits, thats your own judgement. I'd like to, but I'll keep silent for now. I'd ramble for too long, and perhaps get off subject....

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Vehicle code 21058. A physician traveling in response to an emergency call shall be exempt from the provisions of Sections 22351 (excessive speed) and 22352 if the vehicle so used by him displays an insigne approved by the department indicating that the vehicle is owned by a licensed physician. The provisions of this section do not relieve the driver of the vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using the highway, nor protect the driver from the consequences of an arbitrary exercise of the privileges of this section.

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