Apparently you did not pay attention in your civics classes. You cannot even spell "Constitution". The executive power is vested in the President of the United States by the Constitution...It also empowers him as the Commander in Chief of the military...it is my duty to serve the country...and the President.

By serving the President, you do disservice to the country and the ideals on which it was founded.

By serving the President who has no clear plan for victory in Iraq, you do disservice to the best and bravest who are there slogging through the crossfire, waiting for clear direction, a real strategy to win.

By serving the President who at every turn grabs more power from Signing Statements to "it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission" policy, you do disservice to the men and women who gave their lives to make and keep our country free.

By serving the President, an elite himself, who favors the rich and powerful over the Everyman, all while posing as a compatriot, you do disservice to the American Dream.


Should I go on? In short, this country needs a lot less people like you, especially when so much of what you post here is straight from the Communist Chinese Playbook.

Just why do you love our President so much that you hate our country?

Here's the Washington Post's take on the subject. How anyone can continue to support this insane war is just miles beyond my comprehension.

The war in Iraq has become a primary recruitment vehicle for violent Islamic extremists, motivating a new generation of potential terrorists around the world whose numbers may be increasing faster than the United States and its allies can reduce the threat, U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded.

A 30-page National Intelligence Estimate completed in April cites the "centrality" of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, and the insurgency that has followed, as the leading inspiration for new Islamic extremist networks and cells that are united by little more than an anti-Western agenda. It concludes that, rather than contributing to eventual victory in the global counterterrorism struggle, the situation in Iraq has worsened the U.S. position, according to officials familiar with the classified document.

And here's the kicker -- the N.I.E. was published in APRIL. It's almost October. In the intervening 6 months, the Bush admin kept its conclusions classified, and went out and tried to convince the public that just the OPPOSITE was true.

Every day, you think it can't get worse, but it does.

We elect a president every four years. That is the way our government is designed. Unless impeached, he is the President until the next election. You purport to know more about this war and fighting wars than the brightest and the best in our government and military that serve. You do not convince me. I suspect that would not be true even if you had access to the same information...which you do not.

As far as a "clear plan for victory"... I cannot imagine why you feel the President is somehow obligated to share classified war plans with you.

I also cannot understand how you arrive at the cliches you continually post. They simply make no sense and you do no0t explain or tie them into the subject. For example, Soldiers in a crossfire waiting for direction?? and what are you talking about when you mention the "Communist Chinese Playbook?"

Perhaps you should ask your mommy what these things mean before posting them.

Okay, here's what will end the war in Iraq. Recommission one of the Navy's mothballed ships. Fill the ship with, to include but not limited to, Bush, his entire administration, fintstone, Mul, Joeaska and all the loony hardline Christian fanatics in American and send them, with just enough fuel, on a one way trip to Iraq. When the ship arrives our troops can come home. Viola, the war is over and nobody really cares what happens to Bush anyway.

That is an improvement on your typical "surrender strategy" at least.

Yea, where'd you ever get that idea?

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Obviously the President's speech at the naval academy almost a year ago highlighted portions of the National Security Council document "Our National Strategy for Victory in Iraq" as well as the overall "Plan for Victory"...but certainly did not contain classified or detailed strategy. On the bright side, a year later, many of the things in the plan have been accomplished...including killing Zarqawi. The President has also stood strong on his promise that day "To all who wear the uniform, I make you this pledge: America will not run in the face of car bombers and assassins so long as I am your commander in chief," despite liberal call to "cut and run."

>Here's the Washington Post's take on the subject.

Truly an unbiased source :rolleyes:

Amazes me that the libs continue to believe that America had no enemies before we invaded Iraq. What do you think, Rodeo, muslim extremists were frollicking through the daisies and giving lollipops to children before the BIG BAD AMERICANS started bringing democracy and western ideas to the middle east?

Newsflash: Muslim extremists have ALWAYS been around in great number, have ALWAYS hated us and ALWAYS will. Violence is the only language they understand, and must be used to keep them under control.

Please, Rode, tell us YOUR plan to make friends with muslim extremists. Want to call it the first Jihad peace conference?

It has been my observation that those who trust our national leadership (either party) the most, have the least experience of the inner workings of the government or the behavior of its elected officials. After a career spent close to our Federal government, I bring you some news; they are neither smarter nor have better information (including classified) than is available to anyone else. Their ethics are no better, their wisdom no deeper, they are not greater patriots than the rest of us. More than a few elected officials abuse the power of their office - a fact of human nature - which is why checks and balances are so important.

We are supposed to have a "gov of laws, not people". One should hold no illusions about the quality of the policies or actions of our gov based upon the winning party or individuals in charge. Simply observe the processes and outcomes. Dispassionately sift evidence using rational means. Make a predictive model based upon your analysis and see if you are correct about future outcomes. Be pragmatic and critical, not ideological or accepting of anything on faith.

For instance, I thought the whole Iraq war would be a debacle from the get-go. Trumped up excuses to finish Daddy's war (and get the guy who tried to assasinate him), make the neocon vision (hallucination) a reality & scare Iran. Least hard evidence to start a war since the Spanish-American & VN. Political appointees rejecting the consensus advise of military and foreign policy professionals. Dems layed down because they saw no political advantage in argument, having no power anyway.

Now we have another fine little "land war in Asia". OBL will die of old age or disease before Rumsfeld gets him (did the French blow Rove's "October Suprise"? Thanks!). And a national politics focused upon managing a climate of fear for partisan gain. Feel good?

So, you were a staunch defender of Clinton's policies during his 8 year tenure, yes?

Bass-ackwards again. Clinton was trying to deal with the Muslim extremists while the Republicans were laughing it off.

Please show any pre-9/11 efforts lead by the Republicans after Bush1 that would have suppressed Muslim extremists.

If this is truly what you think "liberals believe," you are too far gone for discussion.

Of course we had enemies before Iraq. We now have more enemies than we started with 3 1/2 years ago, according to the people that we pay to tell us these things. The reason we have more enemies today is because of a war intended to lessen threats to the American people.

The intelligence community now tells us that Iraq has increased the threat of Islamic extremism. The war has not only cost staggering sums in money and lives, it has made us less safe.

Give up your blind faith in all things Bush and look at the facts. Your children and grandchildren deserve no less.

So, regardless of the party in power, it is the duty of the military to serve that president, correct? Is it also somehow forbidden to voice opposition even while faithfully serving? Seems to me one can do both and still be a patriot. In fact, it would seem that BOTH are necessary in order to be a true patriot. Many countries have been laid low when subordinates did not give accurate information to the leadership, telling them only what they thought they wanted to hear.

Drauz makes an interesting point when he says that those we elect are not necessarily more intelligent than the majority of the populace. Somehow, true believers of either major party want to imbue their leaders with supernatural powers. It does not make sense.

Colin Powell's 'you break it; you own it' line was prescient.

Can we extract ourselves from Iraq without it leading to more problems than we have today?

Bad plan. It's in place now and not working.

This is one of the best posts I've read here in years. Reread it.

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Interesting and indicative of the times that fint, the looney who thinks genocide is the answer, is the only conservative remaining with whom to discuss these matters.

Dubya has been a laughing stock throughout the world since the day he took office, and by the time he leaves, he will be laughed out of office by Americans as well. Well, not "laughed," exactly. If there has ever been a president who left office with the potential to be indicted for treason, this is the one.