Write "Kip Hawley is an Idiot" on your baggage, get detained. - Page 2

Joeaksa · 10:45 AM

Sammy,

If he is an idiot, then what do you call all of these "Dubya was an idiot" and "Why dont we seceed from the Union" and "Clinton is my idol" posts?

These guys are making posts on this forum looking for trouble, and directly against forum rules trying to start a fight, and they are never hassled about it!

BTW, if you are really serious about your comments, please never take an airplane again. About 90% of the flight crews feel the same way about the TSA and would not pee on them if they were on fire.

nostatic · nostatic's Garage

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Originally posted by Joeaksa

BTW, if you are really serious about your comments, please never take an airplane again. About 90% of the flight crews feel the same way about the TSA and would not pee on them if they were on fire.

ok, that one shot coffee out my nose. thanks for the laugh

sammyg2 · 09-29-2006, 11:13 AM

Um, I didn't say the guy was wrong in his opinion, or that he shouldn't have an opinion, I said that he was an idiot for looking for trouble and complaining about it when he found it.
Putting that statement on a bag was asking from trouble and stupid. Especially when he demonstrated an attitude. Complaining about getting hassled when his actions dictated that hassle was also stupid.

And the guys here who make posts that are inflammatory do get hassled for it, constantly. For every political troll on this board there are two others waiting to jump down their throat for posting dumb
stuff.
Plus this is a forum that is labeled off topic and it exists purely as a place to post opinions and discuss stuff just like this.
That is a long way from an airport security screening. I don't really see any parallel at all.

Joeaksa · 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by nostatic
ok, that one shot coffee out my nose. thanks for the laugh

Edit, Todd, Sorry thought that the "coffee" comment was from Sammy. Was late here and did not see that it was a different person. Still, this is no laughing matter.

The flight crews have had enough of being hassled at the security checkpoints. You guys do not have an idea of the extra searches we go through and its gotten to the point where its being discussed our having a strike in the UK and America where the flight crews are either treated with some respect or we refuse to go past the checkpoints. You passengers can sit in the airplanes or lounges but if this happens there may not be anyone sitting in the pointy end of the plane.

For weeks after the London incident last month we were stopped from carrying a pen or calculator into the airplane. Sorry guys and gals, but I cannot fly over the water legally and safely without a pen or calculator. We have to have one of each to do our paperwork and calculations to have and insure a safe flight. Finally after there were some issues on flights, we put our foot down and said enough, you will not let us take these onboard, then we will stop flying. Funny thing but overnight we were allowed to take pens and calculators in the cockpit.

Next was food. Many companies do not supply the pilots with meals during a flight, so they always grabbed their own inside the terminals or brought meals from home. After the London incident this was prohibited. Well kids, on a 14 hour flight you just are not safe without food of some sort. Your blood sugar drops to very low levels after 7-8 hours and you are not safe. These airline's prohibit the flight crew from eating passenger food on board, so what do you do? Lose your job by grabbing some food left on the tray of a passenger? Do you want me awake and alert for landing or falling asleep due to low blood sugar levels? As well these rules are the same for the flight attendents. As you are coming for landing they have not had anything to eat in 14 hours and their blood sugar is at very low levels. These are the people who are going to help you out of the plane in the event of an accident. Is this what you really want as a passenger?

After this was a spare pair of glasses. If we wear glasses, flight crew are required by law to carry a spare pair of glasses during each and every flight. Course the security idiots would not allow us to carry a spare pair in the cockpit. That makes ever flight we did illegal and puts us in a position to be violated should a flight inspector be onboard.

Its just gotten silly where we are the ones flying the jets, yet are in many cases strip searched everytime we go through the checkpoint looking for something on our person needed to hijack the planes. If any pilot wanted to cause a disaster all they have to do is to wait until the other pilot goes out of the cockpit to the potty, then lock and bar the door, do a few other things which I am not going to mention on any forum and the plane is theirs.

ANY pilot has had this option for years and yet not ONE pilot has ever done this. WE are NOT THE RISK, its the terrorists, yet our search's are in many cases much more probing because they idiots there who like to abuse their power. Most airlines now have their crews go through the security checkpoints as a group after solo flight crew members have been hassled by the people doing the searching.

Enough rant but this situation has gone too far and needs to be brought back into reality.

Noah930 · Noah930's Garage

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TSA isn't staffed with the sharpest folks. From my experience many of them take a perverse pleasure in the power which they yield, and do not display a lick of common sense.

That's the problem, right there. Maybe the passenger's not exactly an altar boy for writing something like that on his bag. But it clearly (get it?) doesn't violate any laws or rules to do so. TSA guys were insulted, and took advantage of their power to give the guy a hard time. It's NOT the same thing as making a joke about a bomb, or yelling "Fire!" in a movie theater.

VaSteve · 09-29-2006, 04:32 PM

It's truly a wonder they knew who the top guy in TSA was.

creaturecat · 09-29-2006, 07:14 PM

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For once I agree with Joe.

+1

MRM · 09-29-2006, 07:22 PM

I'd pee on the head of the TSA if he was on fire. I'd pee on him if I had the chance, even if he wasn't on fire. I'd do my best to not extinguish the fire. (See how I avoided ending my sentence with a preposition? Hint, "Putting the fire out" was the easiest way to end the sentence.)

Ever wonder why America hasn't been attacked on its own territory since 911? Could it be that it is because we are doing all the damage a terrorist could hope for all on our own?

snowman · 09-29-2006, 07:36 PM

I agree,we have done more damage than any terrorist could have hoped to do. I would risk flying on any airline, without any security, as long as the pilot and passengers were permitted to carry guns. Thats what seperates an american from the rest of the world.

fastpat · 09-30-2006, 03:31 AM

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Originally posted by Nostril Cheese
He brought it upon himself. You don't yell FIRE in a movie theatre

Yes, actually you do if there's a fire. However, the phrase you've used above comes from a Supreme Court case wherein several antiwar activists were arrested, charged, and convicted for passing out flyers encouraging men not to report for the draft, World War One era. The case has since been reversed, you can now post, distribute, or display almost anything. The particular message in this story is absolutely protected speech and if this gentleman wishes to do so, he would likely win a lawsuit against the US government.

I wish him well.

Howard Agency · 09-30-2006, 06:55 AM

Whatever. Not they way I would try to board a flight. Kinda like the guy who goes to DMV with a shirt that says 'Civil Servants Suck'.

fastpat · 09-30-2006, 06:57 AM

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Whatever. Not they way I would try to board a flight. Kinda like the guy who goes to DMV with a shirt that says 'Civil Servants Suck'.

Hey, I have a better idea; let's do away with both the TSA and the DMV so we get rid of these sleazy government thugs.

Surely, you don't excuse any government thug from his duty because someone says they don't like said thug, do you?

Tobra · Tobra's Garage

Had a patient relate an interesting story to me the other day.

She went to President Reagan's memorial service several years ago. They would not let anyone in with a cell phone, or any liquids. She thought this was odd, and asked why. They did not say much about the cell phones, but advised her they were concerned about liquid explosives. It has only been very recently that they did anything about this concern on airlines.

I have had a 7mm combination wrench(use it to secure the valve caps on my car's tires, keeps little wankers from swiping them) taken from me. I could do more damage with the handle of my razor, which was in the same bag. My wife boarded a plane with her pepper spray on her key chain, did not notice it until we were leaving the airport following our return leg.

Which would you be more concerned about, a 10 cm long wrench or a full container of pepper spray?

In this case, the guy was making a statement and got hassled about it, happens every day. You have freedom of speech, but if you say something looking for a reaction, don't complain that you did not like how they reacted.

Yes, I do think the TSA is generally poplulated by morons, and they over-reacted in this case.

Howard Agency · 09-30-2006, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by fastpat
Hey, I have a better idea; let's do away with both the TSA and the DMV so we get rid of these sleazy government thugs.

Surely, you don't excuse any government thug from his duty because someone says they don't like said thug, do you?

Not me, Bunky. I'm just trying to get on the plane or pick up my personalized plates.

snowman · 09-30-2006, 03:33 PM

I think our government is far to intrusive. I do not fear people like Bush, but to think what someone like Clinton could do with the same power is downright scary. Clinton caused the massacre at Waco, he was indirectly responsible for the Federal building that was blown up, and several dead people popping up in parks etc. Just think what he could have done with terrorism bills that have been passed since 9-11.

jorian · 09-30-2006, 04:11 PM

That's some stretch Snowman. You must be really flexible.

turbo6bar · 09-30-2006, 04:37 PM

Ryan Bird's encore will be a visit to a local biker hangout with his favorite t-shirt: "Harleys for homos."

fastpat · 09-30-2006, 05:44 PM

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Originally posted by snowman
I think our government is far to intrusive. I do not fear people like Bush, but to think what someone like Clinton could do with the same power is downright scary. Clinton caused the massacre at Waco, he was indirectly responsible for the Federal building that was blown up, and several dead people popping up in parks etc. Just think what he could have done with terrorism bills that have been passed since 9-11.

Bush I was completely responsible for Ruby Ridge and the murders there; and for allowing Clinton access to the planning for Waco before he was sworn in. Or, didn't you know that?

You're really out of the loop, old man.

fastpat · 10-01-2006, 06:36 AM

The thugs at the gate just may have pissed off the wrong guy.
http://www.kiphawleyisanidiot.com/

snowman · 07:48 PM

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Bush I was completely responsible for Ruby Ridge and the murders there; and for allowing Clinton access to the planning for Waco before he was sworn in. Or, didn't you know that?

You're really out of the loop, old man.

Whatever--- Clinton pushed the button, not Bush.

These two acts by CLINTON, brought this country closer to civil war than anything EVER!

The Federal building is PROOF positive. 100's of innocent americans were killed, why? Fear of CLINTON and his commie friends taking over this country.