Doing the Terrorists work!
 

CNN, giving the Terrorists a voice, to the world


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/19/iraq.sniper.video/index.html

Yep, CNN, tool of the terrorists

CNN, a good reason to watch Fox...

Re: Doing the Terrorists work!
 

You guys had no problems with the various videos and stories circulating about American snipers and aircraft gun footage. For instance, the gunsight footage from an AH64 that took out several farmers in a field: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DMNT4BERF8M - you loved it!

The Pentagon has been spoon-feeding propaganda about the war to the news outlets both here and to their puppet media abroad, and you had no problem with that, either. With more realisitic coverage, maybe those who are in lock-step with Bush will start to wake up and realize what a clusterfock this war really is.

Thom, you're talking to folks who are just fine with the proliferation of propaganda that will cause everyone to vigorously support this "president" and his Iraq military campaign. And they are just fine with the suppression of information to the contrary. Support for this war is a bigger priority than truth.

OK, so you 2 are OK with helping the Enemy? I want you on record on this. Are you OK with CNN helping an Enemy of the United States?

No. I am not. I just want information about how well the war is going, and how poorly it is going. Balance. Unlike you.

1.Bush is using American troops to put the Islamo-fundamentalist Shiites in power.
2.They are the terrorists that attacked us.
3.You are an avid Bush supporter.

Re: Doing the Terrorists work!
 

So the Islamists want us *out* of the country? I've read dozens of times here that our presence in Iraq is the Islamists' best recruiting tool. What's up with that? Are they no longer accepting new members?

Now I understand how 30% of the population still believe everything is going well.

Supe, the war ended 3 and 1/2 years ago. This is an OCCUPATION. It is going about as well as I would have expected. Do I think we're making mistakes? Sure. I thinik we need to Balkanize the region and put the religous groups into geographic zones. Is this a "perfect" solution? Nope. But it sure seems better than any alternative.

But, the terrorists tactics are this: Kill our will to fight. Make us leave. They do not need to "win", they need to not lose. CNN is going right along with them.

I wonder if they'd like some hot tea. And some nice bisquits. I might as well take out the trash while they're busy planting their IED thingies. I just love to be of help.

If you were living under an [Iraqi|Russian|Elbonian] occupation army, would you do any different? Or would you bust out the rose petals and lay them before your occupiers? You seem to be offended that the Iraqis are not laying flowers at the feet of the Americans like Rumsfeld promised they would.

put an Iraq government in place that is an ally to the US and then get all the US troops out.

Violence will then surely go down.

Does the U.S. have any more ally's? Is there someone we haven't pissed off yet?

he's typical arrogant American.

thinks he knows what's best for the rest of the world and if they don't comply, they are "terrorists".

Especially after invading their country over lies and a campaign of fears leading up to the war.
but Bush and Congress dont care. none of their children are fighting and dying in Iraq.

Iraqis aren't living under an occupation army. Iraq has its own government now. Unfortunately, that government is too weak/corrupt/incompetent to govern (which includes security). Perhaps they need more time to get their shiite together, or perhaps it's a lost cause. Stay tuned.

So, by televising a different view than FOX, could someone please tell me how we conclude that somehow this is aiding the enemy? It would seem this is an opportunity to "get inside their heads" and find more effective ways to blunt their efforts.

I do not understand this mindset that anyone who disagrees with the administration is somehow disloyal and traitorous. Could someone calmly, clearly, succinctly, and most of all, logically explain why opposing points of view are so dangerous?

Why are we constantly bombarded with elements of fear and mistrust? Why is it so necessary to demean one another's perspective of events?

Moneyguy,
The other side takes the time to film and produce propaganda videos, so members and recruits can see how successful they are at sniping Americans (and, as they claim, to get in the heads of Americans and try to cause the American populace to lose its will). It's an advertisement, if you will. When Western media decides to broadcast these advertisements for free, one can argue that they are aiding the enemy.

Common sense has no place here Rearden!

By having these videos, is this not an opportunity for our side to develop better tactics to protect themselves? Its like having a "mole" feeding you information, isn't it?

"Now we know what you are doing. We know what to expect. Propare yourself for retaliation."

I agree. But you don't need CNN to broadcast something in order for the military to see it.

I think what bothers me about this is similar to the actions of the government during the second world war. There was a great debate about showing dead bodies on the "Movietone" news shorts. It was considered that it would be demoralizing to the public to see dead American bodies sloshing around in the surf of some Pacific atoll. Finally, they permitted such scenes to be shown. The result was a solidification of resolve among the civilians, not the predicted feeling of "this is far too expensive in American lives, we should quit and come home".

The more the public knows, the more they will understand the seriousness of the situation. Not to mention that showing these tapes is graphic proof of the depth of the problem and runs contrary to the concept of "we are winning" at this point in time.

I agree with a lot of what you say, Moneyguy.
The scenes of dead bodies in the surf were not purposefully edited Japanese reels.
I don't know what media you are watching or who you speak to, but very few people think "we are winning". Even Fox News doesn't report that. Instead, it's "we must win".
If we retreat now and leave this nascient Iraqi government to fend for itself, we will surely lose.
That's my position, anyhoo.

I agree with the urgency of the mission. Yes, you are correct. Even FOX has recently been backing off of their total support for the way things are going. For that, I am grateful since they were misleading their loyal viewers. A more realistic approach must be found, and I am not qualified to even make a suggestion of hos it should be done. It will take cooperation between both major parties, disparate voices and the experts. It is time to close ranks and stop the internicene sniping.

I tend to follow a number of "informational" sources, fully realizing that none of them are totally unbiased. Print, broadcast, all of them have to be filtered througn a sieve of common sense in order to understand the reality of the situation.

What is there to loose, though?
Similar to Yugoslavia (an Israel if you stretch it), there was an oppresive/defensive entrenched secular minority in command of a multitude of culturally-diverse(Islamic) areas that were agressively seeking independance and growing in population and strength.
The minority was militarly destroyed by the US, and civil war along ethnic/religeous lines began.

This senario was told time and again by some of Bush's advisors who stressed the need for a quick resolution and turnover-and they got transfered.
So the Iraqi populous is stuck between the choice of two gangs fighting for power, one of which is supported from several neighboring countries. The only option to stop THOSE, is to defeat them as well.
What benefit to US interests is there, except to mire us in foreign debt/deficit to those who are our real competitors?

Is the average Iraqi really a moderate that whould accept a neutral government? I think not at this point.
There is a leadership technique where the boss gets the employees to stop bickering by making them all pissed/afraid of him/her.

(funny, after my last post my internet connection got cut off.)

That sums it up perfectly.

GWB has us fighting FOR the enemy, and all the lapdogs can do is turn on their fellow Americans. Shameful.