http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/tillman.asp
Status: Undetermined.

Harddrive, what is with the comments about him signing up knowing all of this. I think you are reading something into the statement that isn't there. It seems pretty clear that there is a realization about the facts used to justify going in after the fact.

Just the same, the jury is still out about the statement being legit. Besides, the dude and his brother signed up and did their service. If he feels it was BS, thats his right.

Tillman did his duty, he followed orders and completed his enlistment honorably.

What he is saying, now, is that the President did not do his duty, perhaps the most solemn duty of the Commander in Chief.

It is a duty not to send men and women into combat recklessly.

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Mid-term elections are coming up. Whoever really put this together, whether or not Tillman agreed to put his name to it, knows that. The shameless Dems will stoop to anything to tug at their constituants's heart strings. Just look at their multi-term Congresswoman they *****-canned in Illinois in favor of their wounded anti-war vet. Pathetic then, pathetic now. Pathetic that some of you swallow this crap hook, line, and sinker.

I'm sure Tillman would take exception to your characterization of his beliefs as "crap."

I do.

Another of your comprehension problems. Read Jeff's post again, but this time concentrate on context. Do this three times then move on to my next sentence.




OK, good job, now do you see that the word "crap" was used to describe the Dem tactic of pulling at heartstrings for votes.


Now Jeff may feel Tillman's comments were also crap, I don't know....but it's clear that he was referring to the tactic as noted by his reference to the Illinois race confirms.

We'll get you up to speed soon enough.

You have become a true slicer and dicer of the English language. Bill Clinton would blush at your prowess.

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The so called "crap"....................is it the document in question, or the alleged forgery of the document?

We need clarification Jeff Higgins.

As it reads, I think you have commited to a determinition of forgery, therefore the document and all of it's statements are "crap" as well as the intent of it's true authors.

Right?

If you think I'm the one playing games with words I'm worried you may need more help than I previously thought. I'm available nights for tutoring.:D

Rodeo, you missunderstand. Not so much Tillman's words (if they are in fact his) but the timing of their release, and the use to which they are being put. Look at the big picture. Tillman's suffering is meaningless, beyond the political gain they hope to achieve from it, to the scum that have so opportunistically presented his words at this time. It's their crap that you continue to swallow. It's their guiless tactics that you seem to accept, or even endorse, if the target (Dubya) is important enough to you.

So put your blinders on and continue to lap up (and celebrate) any morsel that falls your way. From exagerated Iraqi deaths, to mothers of war casualties, to mourning brothers; all cynically used to further an agenda withn no regard whatsoever to the poor folks living it. They are all simply talking points to your ilk.

I think you must have me confused with another poster.

Even Fox News is carrying the story. I'd say it's real.

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2006Oct23/0,4670,TillmanBrother,00.html

No author on that, 5:02 October 21st update.

Leads to this, the claimed original publication:
http://www.truthdig.com/

Looking more legit, let's wait for Snopes top catch up.

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You act like the Democrats are the only shameless bunch out there.

That is pathetic in and of itself.

I'm a democrat and I will state for the record that Democratic Politicians are shameless. I will however accuse the the Republican party of exactly the same thing.

Politicians as a whole are a shameless bunch. Maybe they should be; after all by many accounts both sides are whores to special interest groups.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

They have picked up the same AP story,, I say it's worth waiting for, the truth that is.

Harddrive,

Sorry. I must have skipped my meds today.

It does seem like the statement is legit. I don't seewhy some here are complaining that it is inappropriate timing to make it. The dude has every right to bring this up during the election season. Hell, at least he paid real due in this fight (thats more than I can claim). I don't understand why it could be called a dirty democratic tactic when it is a fair statement and a legit time to bring it up. Afte some of the Rove induced political tricks I have seen, this is most defintely the high road by comparison. I am sick of the double standard. Its just too bad that the republican party supporters don't like it. The guy paid a huge personal price and he went in with honorable intentions. If he feels used, it is his absolute right to say it when he chooses.

I find that offensive.

This is my country too.

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Uh, no Mike, I'm not trying to imply that at all. Both sides have amply demonstrated their ability to roll around in the gutter. Examples abound on both sides of the aisle. It can be a rather amusing game of one-upsmanship at times, as to which side can come up with the most innappropriate material to use against the other. We just happen to be discussing Tillman, his letter, and the timing of its release. Clearly engineered by Democratic hacks, so that is why I'm picking on them. This time.

The fact that elections are the only tool being used today to reel in government, just one of today's problems, means that bringing this up just before an election IS PRECISELY THE TIME TO DO IT.