Calling All Pelican Pilots - Show Us Your Planes...

[t6dpilot]

Great idea! Now that would make a cool R Gruppe car. Naw, I was planning on installing it on the T6.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by svandamme
couple of cases of beer, and a lot of folks to lift and plant the junker plane in the tree ( probably back when the branches were less thick)

Maybe, but they even matched the fuselage and wing impact locations to the tree limbs, skinned the bark, and broke off a large limb to fall over on it. They musta' been artiste's.

Edit: http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000879.html

The other side of the wreckage:

000
Nous55 Kpub 080605 Cca
Oavpub

Notification Report...corrected
National Weather Service Pueblo Co
1059 Pm Mst Thu Dec 7 2006

To: Forensic Services Manager (w/os52)
National Weather Service
C/o Telecommunications Gateway
Silver Spring, Maryland 20910

Info: Nws Crh...attn W/cr1x3

Alpha: Pilot.......perry Brookham
Acft Type...piper Cherokee
Reg Nmbr....n6487j

Bravo: Location........meadowlake Airport (00v)
Date............12/08/06
Incident Time...0025 Utc

Charlie: 1 Aboard: 0 Fatalities.
Pilot...minor Injuries Aircraft Damage Substantial
Aircraft Lost Power On Departure From 00v. The Pilot Had
To Abort An Attempted Landing On A Road Due To Traffic.
The Aircraft Crashed In A Tree North Of The Airport At
Approximately 1725 Mst(0025 Utc).

Delta: Meadow Lake Airport
Metar Kcos 080154z 00000kt 10sm Clr M04/m07 A3043 Rmk Ao2 Slp366
T10391067
Metar Kcos 080054z 00000kt 10sm Clr M02/m06 A3043 Rmk Ao2 Slp359
T10171056
Metar Kcos 072354z 16003kt 10sm Clr M01/m05 A3043 Rmk Ao2 Slp362
T10111050 10028 21028 56005

Echo:
Kcos 072320z 080024 21006kt P6sm Skc
Fm0200 Vrb05kt P6sm Skc
Fm0400 36008kt P6sm Skc
Fm1500 Vrb05kt P6sm Skc

Foxtrot: Winds Aloft Based On Dnr 080000z Sounding
6000 Ft Wnd 15012 Kts
7000 Ft Wnd 16510 Kts
8000 Ft Wnd 23006 Kts
9000 Ft Wnd 30512 Kts
11000 Ft Wnd 34019 Kts
12000 Ft Wnd 33521 Kts
14000 Ft Wnd 33017 Kts
16000 Ft Wnd 33517 Kts
20000 Ft Wnd 33515 Kts
25000 Ft Wnd 33521 Kts
30000 Ft Wnd 32521 Kts
Golf:
Waus45 Kkci 072045
Wa5s
Slcs Wa 072045
Airmet Sierra Updt 4 For Ifr Valid Until 080300
.
Airmet Ifr...id Mt Wa Or
From 30se Ydc To 40n Fca To Hln To Pdt To Ykm To 30se Ydc
Cig Blw 010/vis Blw 3sm Br. Conds Contg Byd 03z Thru 09z.
....
Waus45 Kkci 072045
Wa5t
Slct Wa 072045
Airmet Tango Updt 3 For Turb Valid Until 080300
.
Airmet Turb...id Mt Nv Ut Az Wa Or Ca And Cstl Wtrs
From Bli To 40s Yxc To 40se Lkv To Bce To 50s Tus To Bza To
140sw Rzs To 130wsw Sns To 140wsw Fot To 110w Onp To Bli
Mod Turb Btn Fl280 And Fl400. Conds Dvlpg 21-00z. Conds Contg Byd
03z Thru 09z.
....
Waus45 Kkci 072045
Wa5z
Slcz Wa 072045
Airmet Zulu Updt 3 For Ice And Frzlvl Valid Until 080300
.
No Sgfnt Ice Exp.
.
Frzlvl...ranging From Sfc-160 Acrs Area
Mult Frzlvl Blw 100 Bounded By 40nw Hvr-50nnw Isn-80sw
Dik-40nw Hvr
Sfc Alg 30e Yql-40wsw Hvr-40sse Mls-60wnw Rap
Sfc Alg Sny-30sw Sny-30nne Dln-30sse Lkt-30e Dta-40w Abq-txo
Sfc Alg 30ene Geg-40n Fca-40w Yql
040 Alg 60ese Lkv-80nne Fmg-40wsw Bam-70ne Bam-30ene Bvl-30w
Dta-60n Ink
080 Alg 40ssw Fmg-oal-40ssw Ilc-70sw Bce-20ssw Dmn-40s Dmn
120 Alg 40wsw Las-20sw Las-50se Eed-40w Tus-50wsw Tus
....

Hotel: No Flight Plan And No Pilot Briefing

Prepared By Hall/metze
Forecaster Pueblo Co

[Joeaksa]

No game here, it was a real accident. Look at the impact points and wing into the tree. Would love to find out the real story but this was no prank.

[Seahawk]

Joe,

I'm with Pat on this one...I had suspicions from the start: Way to conformal without scarring marks. The physics are wrong as well. No way a limb that size doesn't fracture given aircraft velocity and weight...phenominal forces on impact.

I never went to the Naval Safety Center for accident investigation, but I have been the President of two mishap investigations at the Class A level...if I'm wrong about this one the beers on me later this month if you're in AZ!

I think it hit a tree per the report, just not this tree.

[svandamme]

maybe they hung it on a big crane, and swung it in that tree , wrecking ball style...

[Seahawk]

Originally posted by svandamme
maybe they hung it on a big crane, and swung it in that tree , wrecking ball style...

There are limbs behind the empenage, no fracture points on the leading edge of the wings...I could go on, can you?

Edit: NTSB will not generally leave wreckage in place...given the fact that the engine is gone is a key as well.
YFNMMV.

[bigchillcar]

if it's a real impact, and i'm verrry skeptical as well, the pilot is to be commended and probably would have survived this impact. it would have had to be going so slow as to below stalling speed (i know, i know..it couldn't) and stalled at just the precise moment. i think 'god' would have had to have had a hand in that tree landing...lol
ryan

[fastpat]

Originally posted by bigchillcar
if it's a real impact, and i'm verrry skeptical as well, the pilot is to be commended and probably would have survived this impact. it would have had to be going so slow as to below stalling speed (i know, i know..it couldn't) and stalled at just the precise moment. i think 'god' would have had to have had a hand in that tree landing...lol
ryan

Here's part of the NOAA accident data I posted above:
1 Aboard: 0 Fatalities.
Pilot...minor Injuries Aircraft Damage Substantial
Aircraft Lost Power On Departure From 00v. The Pilot Had
To Abort An Attempted Landing On A Road Due To Traffic.
The Aircraft Crashed In A Tree North Of The Airport At
Approximately 1725 Mst(0025 Utc).

[bigchillcar]

does this mean i get beer? 'pat'ting' myself on the back...hahaha! dunno..guess i was kinda hedging my bet i guess.

[efhughes3]

Originally posted by t6dpilot

Ed Hughes, nice plane. That is what I call true needle, ball, airspeed flying!

Don't forget the wool yarn! I had a piece at the front of the windshield, it was the best "instrument" I had.

[Joeaksa]

Originally posted by efhughes3
Don't forget the wool yarn! I had a piece at the front of the windshield, it was the best "instrument" I had.

Every sailplane I ever flew had one of these on the windscreen. You always could count on it to tell you what was going on.

[svandamme]

don't fighterjets have some kind of thread/yarn thing hanging in front of the cockpit/windshield??

can you explain what exactly that does? is visual aid for stall? or spins?

[bigchillcar]

so we can 'spin yarns' about our flying war stories, stijn...
ryan

[fastpat]

Originally posted by bigchillcar
so we can 'spin yarns' about our flying war stories, stijn...
ryan

Shush, you weren't suppose to reveal that, pilot's oath, remember? Purple robes, candlelight, midnight rides?

Just don't mention the "MWNF".

[bigchillcar]

pat...am i to be sent to the 'penalty box' now? you can't have my purple robe back..

[svandamme]

knock it off you , i've flown too, had my hands on the stick when my dad flew a couple of times ,i just never got my licence(it's very expensive around these parts), or owned a plane myself ...and i yelled for more instead of puking when i went up in that Pitss Special..

so what is the friggin deal with that frigging yarn thing...

[fastpat]

Originally posted by bigchillcar
pat...am i to be sent to the 'penalty box' now? you can't have my purple robe back..

TAke three drinks of a good scotch and call me in the morning. I'm sure this "breach" was only temporary. Send the robe to the cleaners, you don't know where it's been lately.

[stomachmonkey]

Originally posted by svandamme

so what is the friggin deal with that frigging yarn thing...

Which way is up. Think JFK junior.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by svandamme
knock it off you , i've flown too, had my hands on the stick when my dad flew a couple of times ,i just never got my licence(it's very expensive around these parts), or owned a plane myself ...and i yelled for more instead of puking when i went up in that Pitss Special..

so what is the friggin deal with that frigging yarn thing...

Okay, okay, just this once. It indicated the airflow over the outside of the aircraft, including yaw, and pitch too if the flow separates where the yarn is taped.

It's a low cost angle of attack indicator in some instances. Depends on where you put it.

[svandamme]

kay , wasn't far off then...
think i'll hang one on my car, you know , in case i drift it in the fog or something...