How About the Elephant in the Room?

[creaturecat]

Originally posted by Point_Out_Truth
This illustrates an important point. Matthew 7:1-2 doesn’t mean don’t judge at all it just means don’t be a hypocrite.


Matthew 7:1-2 (King James Version)

Matthew 7
1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

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Romans 1:27-28 (King James Version)


27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

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1 Corinthians 5:9-13 (New International Version)

9I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."[a]

FREAK

[Vipergrün]

Originally posted by creaturecat
FREAK

Gee creaturecat, what in intelligent and well thought out response. Why exactly is he a freak? Standing up for what he believes in? Pointing out a perspective you are not comfortable with? Afraid of your own sexuality perhaps? Or, just feeling the need to jump on the bandwagon because you cannot think for yourself and need to put someone down?

[Lothar]

Gerry Studds admitted to having gay sex with a male page in 1983. He refused to apologize for his behavior. He remained in the house until 1997, despite call for his expulsion by Republicans in 1993. But Democrats controlled the House at the time and they will protect their own no matter what.

Where was the outrage from the democrats back then? Studds went way beyond a few suggestive emails! Why were they so outraged by Mark Foley?

The reason: To alienate the Christian right from the GOP shortly before an election for political gain.

[Wrecked944]

I thought this Haggard story was just another morality play about hypocrisy and the dangers of self-righteousness. Then I read Haggard's letter to his congregation...

I am a deceiver and a liar. There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life.

That last sentence just broke my heart. That poor man has spent his entire life drowning in a pit of self loathing. And for what? Because he likes men? It just makes me want to cry to think anyone has had to suffer so much over nothing. NOTHING. I refuse to believe that Jesus would approve. My heart goes out to the guy. I wish him well.

[Rodeo]

I didn't see the entire letter, but from what I read of it, he sounded sincere ... not one of those half-assed apologies designed to begin the climb back to power immediately.

If every there was an argument that being gay is some voluntary "choice" that one can turn on and off at will, just look at this man. Do you really think he "chose" to become the type of person he preached against his entire life?

He is a homosexual male. Exactly why, we don't know, and perhaps never will. But we can rule out "because he wanted to be homosexual."

Anyway, I wish him well. If this doesn't break him, let's hope he emerges stronger and more inclusive and accepting of other lifestyles.

[nostatic]

Originally posted by JanusCole
I thought this Haggard story was just another morality play about hypocrisy and the dangers of self-righteousness. Then I read Haggard's letter to his congregation...

I am a deceiver and a liar. There's a part of my life that is so repulsive and dark that I have been warring against it for all of my adult life.

That last sentence just broke my heart. That poor man has spent his entire life drowning in a pit of self loathing. And for what? Because he likes men? It just makes me want to cry to think anyone has had to suffer so much over nothing. NOTHING. I refuse to believe that Jesus would approve. My heart goes out to the guy. I wish him well.

it is repulsive and dark because of what he was taught...not because it is inherently so. If people hadn't rammed intolerance and hate down his gullet, he might not have been so tortured.

This is precisely why some of us rail so strongly against many organized religion's stance on this issue.

[Moneyguy1]

And that is the true nub of the problem.

The internal agony of being "taught" what is wrong and sinful and what your own internal moral compass tells you must be painful beyond belief.
No judgement here; just an observation that we are, as a race and as individuals (a) flawed and (b) too quick to judge others.

[Jim Richards]

Not that I'm behind it (pun intended), but nature's goofy on this, as well.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061012/ts_nm/environment_homosexuality_dc

edit: So why would God create homosexual animals?

[nostatic]

sorry, but in my opinion, being gay is a problem only to those that think it is "evil" and to the unfortunate souls that are the target of their intolerant wrath.

Nature also has plenty of examples of parents eating their young. Should we endorse that as the "natural" way of things?

mmm, fresh baby...

[dhoward]

YES!






.....I mean uh, no....

[Rodeo]

You are quite the stone thrower ... must be nice to be so virtuous.

Oh wait .... so was Haggard. Before he got caught.

[IROC]

Originally posted by sammyg2
His actions were a sin against god and against nature. There is a reason that we have male and female, and that it takes both to reproduce. In nature sex is a natural, instictive act of reproduction, not recreation. The evil in man has made it otherwise.

After reading the article that Jim posted, I think you need to edit some of your post. Maybe it should read, "In nature, homosexual sex is a natural, instinctive act for recreation.". :>)

Must be a lot of evil in animals, also.

Mike