I stopped reading POT's stuff after reporting him.

I quickly figured out T,sammer was one in the same and will aviod him as well.

I thought my questions were valid.

Why Pelican Parts? What is the attraction?

I think it's this type of thing that's most likely to get you banned.

The implication is clear.

I ban at least 10 users every day. One of the BBS's I run is for antique airplanes and the damm spammers found it shortly after the Google bots did and we get at least 10 people daily trying to sell viagra, hair transplants and the like. They cannot post without being approved by me or one of the Mods, but they register and try to post, which clogs up the system.

Takes about 20 seconds a person but still gets tiring. The new thing is a robot that registers users on forums but instead of registering one person, it puts in 5-10,000 new members in one slug, usually late at night so the Admin does not catch on to what is happening until they are deluged.

We have now instituted rules that you cannot sign up any members faster than 1 every 2 minutes from a specific IP address. The robots do it in 20 seconds, so this stops them in their tracks. Not to worry, they will write new software and be back...

Joe A

Most posters have a few catch-phrases or continual typographical errors or some other unique aspect to their personality that can usually be caught with a bit of comparative scrutiny if they try to re-register under another name.

For instance, i always use lower case "i"s unless it's the first word in a sentence, or a representation of a numeral, ie, "I saw them with my Mark-I eyeballs".

I see no reason to limit new posters post counts on my board, what i do instead is simply appoint a plethora of moderators and give them unquestionable authority to ban/lock/delete.

I'm not even sure how many of my guys i've 'deputized' at Warthog Territories, but it's at least a dozen, lol.

As a result, my board is a virtually troll free site. :)

LOL.... :D

I've slipped by before....ask PWD...

I've also...Posted a Thread on this Board using the "Mad as He11" speech by the Howard Beal character in the movie Network almost verbatim under my own name ....While using the Howard Beal name on another Porsche Board, while talking about perception to fellow P Headers.

also I have been known to quote fictious characters as if they were real.

And use dialog to present a specious point of view...Moneyguy was the latest victim of that one.

I have even used confederates to write stuff that could only come from me...

But mostly I am to egocentric to post anything under another name.

Me thinks this was done to stop O and A fans.:D

I remember what mul did, and he got what he deserved. He came back and got slapped again, what did he expect?

I don't know much about this alfred guy but he doesn't sound very popular. If POT and T-samner are the same guy then they are justifyably smacked down because they came back after getting banned.
But some people here were calling for them to get banned for what might be the wrong reasons. Lots O'folks have pulled the race card against him, that should not be done lightly. So far I've seen one quote from this guy that someone used as an example. Surely there is stronger evidence than that of his racism (and don't call be Shirley).
Political correctness should never hide the truth or stifle intellecual debate. We discuss all sorts of things here, but if someone questions evolutionary development, he's a racist? Come on. You guys must have better evidence than that.

Todd, I was not suggesting that you or Z man ban people only on the basis of their tendency to share their religious beliefs. You both have shown quite a bit of patience, most of the time you let the kiddies play in the sand box and only occasionally have to take away a toy. You usually have enough self control to not join in or take sides when there is a food fight, (which is a sign of a good moderator). Once in a while you slip into that trap, but most of the time you don't. You give up some of your privelages when you become moderator, most of the time you are expected to remain neutral in a pissingmatch no matter how hard thay may be (hint hint).

What I have seen is that the general conciousness of the members here do not like other members who are strong right-wing and use biblical quotes to express a point. No, it goes way beyond not liking them, they are treated as if they are worthy of being members.

To varying extents, the non-religious majority forms a proverbial lynch mob. Others join in as the mob mentality takes over.
After a bunch of hate posts it almost always escalates until the only option left is to ban someone, and that someone is the guy at the center of the controversy who shows little restraint or courtesy, which is what usually makes him the target in the first place. Faced with a situation like that i would probably ban him too.

There is probably not a darned thing that can done to change that, I would just like to see a few things:

1) the right wing religious types should tone it down a notch or three, same with the left wing athiestic devil worshippers (kidding, just kidding. It's a joke). There are two reasons the left wing fanatics survive here and the right wing fanatics do not. The right wing fanatics are outnumbered, and the left wing fanatics show more self-control. They know where the line is and they only cross it a little bit. IMO Fastpat is a good example of going too far, but not quite far enough to get banned.
It is probably easier to show self control when it's 20 to 1 (and you're not the 1), but thats no excuse.

2) the rest of the board members who do not fit into the two categories above should try to be a little more tolerant and less defensive when it comes to religious beliefs.
You folks have the right to not believe, just as they have the right to believe. If they are careful with how they present their beliefs and don't try to shove it down your throats, can you please be more careful about ridiculing what they consider sacred? Jokes about Jesus and God may be funny to you but are definately not to others who do believe.
No, we Christians don't kill people with bombs or burn down cities when someone insults our Christian beliefs (like another religion) but the concept is the same.

IMO if someone on this board makes an intentional insult towards Jesus or God (or mohammed or Allah or Buddah if you want to go there), they are doing so only to incite an angry response which is directly in violation of the OT rules and they should be banned immediately. Yes, I have studied the rules laid down several times. Fortunately for some of you that is not my decision to make.

Balance is what we should shoot for.

Sam, I understand your sentiment, but I take exception to a couple of points. The right is not "outnumbererd" on this board at least as far I can tell. And no way it is "20-1". Nor is this a non-religious majority per a recent poll.

I've seen pretty harsh words towards Christians and Christianity. I've seen far worse said about Islam but very few stand up for that religion. This board is not a house of worship. If you want to ban someone for making an insult towards a particular diety just because it is inflammatory and ridicules something you find sacred, what's really behind that? Is it the inflammatory part? If so then you have to ban almost every comment here. That's part of the nature of this board...OT will tend to be inflammatory. Z and I have to make the call when something moves from a bit of a poke to truly offensive...and we tend to err on the side of letting it slide. Because we figure that most people here are adults and if it really offends them, they'll let it slide.

I will admit that racist comments find a lot less slack from me. Religion you choose, race you don't. And it can be argued that racial hatred is truly the worst and most destructive form of persecution we see in the world.

If it is because religious icons are sacrosanct, well I think you're in the wrong place. I don't view this as being a "religious-PC" place, and frankly I think what you really want is a "Christian-PC" place. Can you tell me if someone comes here and starts talking about Islam as the religion of peace that you're not going to bristle and say something? And how far do we push the ban on commenting on religious dieties? All of the minor Hindu gods included? How about the Virgin Mary? Peter? You can see it is a slippery slope.

And Sam, again, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in your defense of Alfred/POT/Samner assuming that you didn't read many of his posts over the past year. He wrote horribly racist comments. Blatant, vicious and cruel. Said that whites are the superior race. Showed an extreme hatred of asians and anyone with dark skin. I'm telling you, get off the horse you're on. I don't think you'll find *anyone* here who will ride with you.

Waaa Christians are being picked on.

You know what Sammy? I am a JW and get to watch the christian bashing, and the yearly thread about how to screw with JW's knocking on your door. It does not offend me though, I find it entertaining.

But, I am not like most, I take my religious beliefs seriously but, I can also understand where others come from. I would be pissed too if someone knocked on my door every 3 weeks to tell me about Jesus.

When someone comes to PPOT and start trying to preach the good word to people that really do not want to be preached to I just sit back, break out the popcorn and prepare to be entertained. I like to see if they will get a clue, or like our friend this thread is about, if they are too stupid to understand they are not welcome nor is their message.

Christian bashing? Never looked at it like that. But then again, I learned to forgive and forget not just to forgive 7 times but to forgive 77 times. (you tend to loose count and thats the point)

To stick up for this guy is really a joke in itself. He is an attention whore and we fed him well, myself included.

Don't forget that a lot of the worst items posted were deleted.

Furthermore, any serious Christian would not want him around either. He bastardized quotes from the bible to further his goals of somehow proving whites' racial dominance. He was not even a Christian by any measure.

Seriously, nobody should be backing the guy. Seriously.

And his 'Changian Cage' was the perfect last hurrah. It should end there. SmileWavy

Sam, FWIW IIRC, Z-man is a Christian and attends church and also IIRC the troll we are talking about made racist remarks about dark skinned players on European soccer teams before he started this latest bizarre ranting about Asians (an angle on bigotry that I personally haven't seen or heard of before).

I agree that there are few people posting here that are on the extreme edge of political/religious ideologies that would do well to cool their jets but obviously they are so zealous in their beliefs it is not likely to happen. I feel we have a pretty well balanced group here however due to the randomness of who may be logged on at any time I have seen the majority opinion sway from conservative to liberal or Christian to anti-Christian from hour to hour, day to day...

YMMV

OK, like I said I'm not familiar with alfred or his posts. I asked for some examples, now it appears from the last few comments he did give justification for the race card.
I don't approve of that. I am a bit jaded because I think the race card is too often used as a political tool in our society for people to get their way but when it is deserved, blamo they should get it.

Todd, I read your post carefully a couple of times and don't find anything to argue with.
A little clarification maybe, but not disagreement.
Yes I have spoken out against the violence brought forth in the name of islam and i will continue to do so.
Much of what the Koran says is similar to the old testiment. If I interpreted the old testiment as fanatically and literally as the muslim extremists interpret the koran, i would not act much different than they do.

But I like to think I've bad-mouthed the violence and the extemists who do it in the name of the religion, not the religion itself.
I do get kinda ticked off when I see the rest of the muslim world watch the violence and don't speak out against it, in my mind that is demonstrating approval.

What is offensive depends on who you ask. In this case, what is offensive to the moderators or to the members who report the posts to the moderators is the measuring stick and that's just fine.
I personally find jokes and ridicule towards Jesus every bit as offensive as others find racial slurs, but that just reminds us why I am not a moderator. I would not be a popular one at all.

I promised myself I will try to tone it down a bit and will try to keep my personal religious beliefs out of it unless that is what the topic is about. I would suggest that others do the same but thats up to them. Often it comes up because I defend my beliefs when someone has been disrespectful of them, but that is besides the point. In the future if someone makes an uncalled for intentional and unappropriate slam on my religion, I'll try to demonstrate enough self control to report it to the moderators first. Then if nothing happens, the gloves come off and we'll be back to square one.

Dude, nothing I've seen from you comes even close to what the banned dude was spewing. I don't get offended at all, but I get sick of somebody whose only goal is to offend. Its just boring.

You said "political tool " :D

I basically agree with nostatic (if I understand you correctly).

In my mind there are no subjects or topics that can not be discussed. Everyone is entitled to his opinion and has the right to speak it. Whether it is about politics, drugs, prostitution, economy or religion. No difference.

What I do not approve of, in any environment, is personal attacks, name calling and aggression pointed toward another individual - just because this individual does not share ones opinion. It is primitive, pubertal and absolutely disgusting.

tabby...

I sent you an IM, but it was refused because you do not open or clean out your mail!! I was trying to tell you that the Patton quotes were not lost on me!! I figured I would play along just to see where you were headed.

There's a word that doesn't get used every day- cookie for Livi

Exactly!

Although Markus with all due respect,

Your still a poopyhead. :p

Thanks for not banning me...

I play nice :D


KT