Its all over the country now. Only thing that has helped has been pushing the cold medicine tabs behind the counter. Evidently the Sudafed tabs were bought by the thousands, crushed then added to chemicals to make meth.

Now you have to sign for them and are limited on how many you can buy at one time. Well kids, there will always be a backdoor way to get them and they will figure it out shortly...

Joe

did it back in the lost years. I never really bonded with it because it was too edgy for me...I wanted to grind my teeth down to nothing. I much preferred coke and luckily that was pretty easy to score so I stayed away from crystal.

And xmas eve this year will be 23 year anniversary of my od and subsequent getting clean cold turkey on my own. Still fight the demons, they just take a different form. There but for the grace of god and the bodhisattvas go I. By the time I die I might actually have this ***** figured out...

If U legalized or even just decrimianlized them think of all the people that would be outa work boith on the criminal and Law Enforcement side of the equation.

No DEA agents
Less Police not only those who are narcs, but there would be less burglary, muggings..who was ever mugged for a pack of cigarettes (yeah I know its happened, but U get the idea)
Fewer District Attorneys
Fewer Defense Attorneys
Fewer Prisons and Prison Guards

The idea is to take the money outa the Drugs and tax it like Tobbaco is taxed.

There are always going to be rougly 6% to 7% of the Population that is addicted to something, no matter what U do.

BTW Milton Freidman was for the Legalization of Drugs for larger the same reasons I have stated above.

One final thing didja notice that the eyes of all the Meth users were the same.

Todd,

Once you are addicted to anything, you are an addict for life. You fight it every day and every day brings new chances to "fall off of the wagon" so to speak. The substance, whatever it was, keeps calling your name, especially when you are tired, weak or in need of a release.

Been there and got the tee shirt just as you do. Never OD'ed but realized that it was in control and I was not and stopped. Its not easy...

Joe

PS, if you ever figure things out, please let the rest of us know how! :)

They are not really people inside anylonger. They are a hollow shell of the person that they used to be. Meth is a very difficult drug and totally takes you over.

you mean like on a night when you find out your dad moved without telling you *and* you broke up with your g/f of the last year plus? :p

luckily it isn't calling my name. These days it is more just being tired. But yeah, once an addict, always an addict. As for figuring it out? Just keep walking...and breathing.

Keep walking, breathing and one of the biggest things I found out that helps is getting away from the people that you used to be with when you were partying. If you were around the corner from someone who said "come on, do a line or two, it will make you feel better" is a lot more difficult to say no to than being totally out of the scene and not around the stuff.

You were strong enough to stop but they may not be that strong, so getting away from them and finding a new set of friends who are away from that is very important.

Sorry about your Dad but do what you can to survive and get moving in a positive direction. You have kids to take care of and they deserve a happy holidays.

joe

oh, i'm a long way away from those people. Left it 23 years ago and never really looked back.

One of the reasons I see a shrink is so I don't do to my son what my dad did to me. So far so good...

Thats one of our reasons for our being around is that each successive generation should do a better job than the last. Keep moving forwards, sounds like you are doing a good job.

I see meth as the innevitable result of this miss-guided war on drugs. By attempting to cut off access to the naturally derived drugs, authorities have created a new monster far worse than any of them. It used to pretty much fly under the radar as it can be locally produced from (formerly) easy to find, cheap ingrediants. By cutting out much of the distribution network the risk to dealers is reduced to the level of selling locally grown pot. And production is far more portable. The perfect illicit drug, really, save for its horrible side-affects. Side-affects not shared, by the way, with any other naturally derived drugs. The authorities know this, and are pumping it for all its worth.

Meth has actually been quite a boon to the "zero tolerance", "war on drugs" crowd. They get to parade its addicts, and their ruined lives in front of society and claim that all drugs result in this. It's pretty damn hard to find a pot smoker, coke snorter, or opiate user that looks like that (o.k.m maybe some serious heroin addicts). Meth actually does have a long-term adverse and irreversable affect on health; unlike other recreational drugs. Except of course alcohol, whose long-term affects (when abused) are well documented.

I have to think meth use would decline if other drugs were legalized and readily available. Like some others that have fessed up, I too have had some history with recreational drugs. As a matter of fact, you would be hard-pressed to name one I didn't use at one time or another. But that's another story altogether... Anyway, "speed", as we called it then, was at the bottom of the list as far as desireability. I just dind't like it, and no one I knew really went looking for it. I found the experience unpleasant, especially compared to the natually derived drugs. I have to think it gained a foothold as a drug odf convenience, and it would lose that if others were as convenient.

Don't let your tenant be caught making meth..... it requires a superfund cleanup down to the studs and joists. That is, if they don't burn down the place first.

After a major California forest fire from a clandestin meth lab, the suspect proudly announced to the the t.v. reporter that he was a Hell Angel.
God will rest his soul shortly it it ain't already.

Re: Sad website - faces of meth
 

1. How come the last girl on page two is the only one which got hotter?

2. Those sores on the face - YUK!

3. The actual shape of their heads seem to change, kind of swelled up - could be the result of the rest of the body shrinking away.

Terrible stuff.

Maybe those newly unemployed law enforcement officiers could been sent to Iraq. I hear reinforcement troops and police force are needed over there. One way or the other, it is all taxpayers money...

Aurel

i liked the after picture of the big tough dude on page two lower left corner

Todd, Jeff. Say it with me, brothers:

God, grant me the serenity...

Originally posted by tabs;

"One final thing didja notice that the eyes of all the Meth users were the same. "

there is a line in an old steppinwolf song, something about "people walkin' 'round with tombstones in their eyes."

They all look like Keith Richards, even the women. Wow, that's a horrible addiction!

The 'war on drugs' has nothing to do with what's right or wrong, it has to do with making money.

As far as meth, my brother in law is serving a couple DECADES for getting nabbed with a drum(55gal?) of P2P, one of the base chemicals of meth.

Meth is a destroyer of lives, and IMO he deserved every second of his sentence...if not more.

I've heard for years about the government being responsible for the "crack cocain" epidemic in the 1980's with the african americans somewhere in the midwest.

Why not introduce this plague in North Korea? Bring them down from the inside. Thailand already has a huge meth problem. Can't the CIA do stuff like this?

Happy holidays,

Capt. Crunch

Good link CANDDRIV55 I sent it to several friends and coworkers. The sores are not just on the face, they are caused by the toxic chemicals leaching out through the skin. Same mech that destroys the teeth.
I watched a circle of friends at a local mill get into this stuff a few years ago. All in their 40's stable, well employed, mostly shift workers, mild recreational drug users. The speed of the destruction was incredible. Jobs home and family disappeared first. Then health and legal problems. As soon as they started getting busted they turned on each other to get reduced sentencing. Many of these people have been friends since high school. I know several of them have died from brain or liver cancer. Way too many to just be a coincidence. The rest have just disappeared. I have seen a couple around town from time to time. They look like they have advanced AIDS.