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M.D. Holloway 12-19-2006 02:45 PM

Lets See How Good You Are At Establishing the Failure Mode of this Bearing
 
Here are a few pics of a bearing I checked out last week. There are a few interesting things at work here. Lets see what you guys come up with. feel free to use assumptions but keep in mind, the bearing is oil lubricated from a pump. It holds a shaft that is turning a Titanium alloy cowl for the aerospace industry. Very high pressure, very dirty, very hot.

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M.D. Holloway 12-19-2006 02:47 PM

One side is a thrust bearing and the other is roller bearing.

scottmandue 12-19-2006 02:53 PM

The flew is outa sque on the treadle

Superman 12-19-2006 02:56 PM

The technical term for this particular failure event is "fukt up." It results from the bearing undergoing heat and friction forces outside its design specifications. Happens all the time in flux capacitors.

M.D. Holloway 12-19-2006 03:04 PM

Actually there are at least 4 failure modes at play...Scott and Supe...sorry dudes.

Gene Wilkes 12-19-2006 03:05 PM

Is that a Torrington tapered bearing?

Grady Clay 12-19-2006 03:12 PM

Chicken and egg dilemma.

I’ll speculate the taper attachment came loose from either the threaded end breaking off first or the nut just coming loose. During the “running loose” period, the bearing failed from the high vibration loads. When the bearing failed, the taper nose of the shaft completely failed.

Judging by the size of the components, I suspect the rotating mass must have been significant. Hopefully no one was injured.

Best,
Grady

Moses 12-19-2006 03:16 PM

Re: Lets See How Good You Are At Establishing the Failure Mode of this Bearing
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LubeMaster77
Lets See How Good You Are At Establishing the Failure Mode of this Bearing
Bad lube. That was easy! What do I win?

Gene Wilkes 12-19-2006 03:19 PM

Turbine shaft/jet engine/reversing thrust?

Bob's Flat-Six 12-19-2006 03:22 PM

Shaft is slipping inside the bearing, which equals heat and a breakdown of the hard face ?

craigster59 12-19-2006 03:24 PM

Motormeister will repair it for $695.00

Gene Wilkes 12-19-2006 03:25 PM

LMAO!!!!! Good one Craigster59!

Aerkuld 12-19-2006 03:35 PM

Is it a twin row tapered roller bearing and is that one of the rollers sitting on top of the casing in the individual photo?
Was the damage visible caused by parts of the bearing itself or was there some nasty introduced to the bearing possibly via the oil feed?

Certainly the bearing has siezed, spun in it's housing, and probably dropped a roller. I'd guess that dropping the roller probably freed it back up due to the additional play which caused the shaft to run out-of true, probably lost control of it's end clearance and ran whatever the titanium part mounted to the shaft was into the nearest immovable object.

But that's just a wild stab in the dark...

Bob's Flat-Six 12-19-2006 03:36 PM

How did the pump check out ?

MBAtarga 12-19-2006 03:37 PM

Yep, they will only replace those parts needing replacement, using their skills at rebuilding bearings in race cars.

Usmellgass2? 12-19-2006 03:44 PM

OK I'll give it a shot. Even though I don't have any reference material here at home.

The roller pitting looks like overloading or corrosion.

The color in the outside race indicates over heating. There also appears to be galling / pitting in the overheated area to indicate overloading. Is this the thrust / load direction?

I cant tell what you are showing us in the picture of the shaft.

The pic of the end of the bearing races looks like corrosion or foreign material intrusion.

I will assume that overloading was prevented by design engineering, so, heat, pitting, foreign material... possibly the lube pump inlet slowly became blocked causing bearing over heat and failur. Maby throw in a baked seal or two? From what is presented that would be my first guess.

OK let the flaming begin :D

mikester 12-19-2006 03:51 PM

it'll buff out?

Burnin' oil 12-19-2006 03:52 PM

Does this have anything to do with your butt?

Usmellgass2? 12-19-2006 03:55 PM

Wow 16 posts and no one has started to rant about Iraq or President Bush.

FrayAdjacent911 12-19-2006 03:58 PM

The discombobulator was miscalibrated?


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