Saddam executed!

[fintstone]

Originally posted by Victor
Is it ignorant to think the world was a more peaceful place when Saddam was ruling Iraq instead of GWB?

One almost has to feel sorry for Victor and other anti-American posters here
Arafat died, Saddam is dead, Castro is near death, Qaddafi has offer to work with the west for peace and turned over his WMD...Good thing Kim Jong-il and Ahmadinejad are still around...or they would have no heroes left....

[cool_chick]

fintstone, their feelings aren't "anti-american." It is not "american" to revel and get all excited, gleeful and elated about someone dying.

Not being excited, gleeful and elated about someone dying doesn't mean they think the one who died is a "hero" either.

[Flatbutt1]

there are short videos appearing now showing Saddam being brought to the gallows. I'm somewhat stunned by the composure he displayed while they put the rope around his neck.

[fastpat]

Originally posted by cool_chick
fintstone, their feelings aren't "anti-american." It is not "american" to revel and get all excited, gleeful and elated about someone dying.

When your loyalty is to no one but to a murderous, souless government killing humans is no more difficult than blowing your nose.

fintstone dances in the blood flowing in the mideast constantly, completely unknowing of just how similar he is to Hussein.

[fintstone]

Originally posted by cool_chick
fintstone, their feelings aren't "anti-american." It is not "american" to revel and get all excited, gleeful and elated about someone dying.

Not being excited, gleeful and elated about someone dying doesn't mean they think the one who died is a "hero" either.

It is anti-american to compare the American President to a murderer who tortured and killed millions....and was executed for "crimes against humanity."
...and there is a big difference between "someone dying" and a brutal murderer being executed by his people for his crimes.

[VaSteve]

Originally posted by Flatbutt1
there are short videos appearing now showing Saddam being brought to the gallows. I'm somewhat stunned by the composure he displayed while they put the rope around his neck.

I have been watching all morning where the cable networks keep moving closer the actual execution. They usually stop with the rope around the neck....my money says that FOX will be the first to show the whole thing.

[cool_chick]

Originally posted by VaSteve
I have been watching all morning where the cable networks keep moving closer the actual execution. They usually stop with the rope around the neck....my money says that FOX will be the first to show the whole thing.

My money is not any MSM, but it'll be flying around the internet within a couple days....

[Rick Lee]

No reason for the networks to show the whole thing. I'm sure it will be on the Internet any minute now.

[Dottore]

Originally posted by fastpat
Since everyone else is denegrating a dead man, I'll post his positives.

First, most, virtually all in fact, of what American's "know" about Saddam Hussein was disinformation created by Amad Chalabi, a paid US government shill. Both Clinton and Bush paid him, something like $300,000 to $400,000 per month, allegedly in support of his "government" in exile the Iraqi National Congress. What that organization really was, and still is, was a capital appreciation fund for Amad Chalabi, an international swindler and wanted bank extortionist.

But, enough about that.

Hussein kept the lid on seething conflicts between Sunni, Shi'ia, and Kurdish ethnic groups; and among the various extended families in the artificial country of Iraq, as many know Iraq was created by the British who made sure the oil rich province of Kuwait was NOT made a part of greater Iraq for the profit of British Petroleum. For other wonderful results of British patronage see Israel/Palestine, Jordan, Arabia, Uganda, South Africa, Rhodesia, and much more.

Under Hussein; most people had advanced schooling (compared to what came before and including women), wore western dress, could worship freely including Christians and Jews, produced more food than they consumed, and via oil revenues could buy what wasn't manufactured in Iraq.

For negatives Hussein was probably about average in brutality in the region. Approximately 3500 people were put to death in Iraq every year for various reasons, including petty crimes, murder, and crimes against the state. Hussein invaded Iran at the behest of the Reagan/Bush I regime costing him the deaths of nearly one million Iraqi's, mostly conscripted soldiers. Did that bother the US government, no, it did not. Nor did Hussein's methods of keeping "law and order" in Iraq bother the US government. It was the timerity of Hussein's demand that the US government/British government protectorate of Kuwait stop stealing Iraqi oil that was the insult, and when Bush I gave Hussein the green light to punish Kuwait by invading it, an excuse for punishing Hussein was handed to the US government, and to others.

Ultimately, Hussein's biggest negative was that he really didn't have sufficient world view, and had no idea of the level of murderous treachery that the Bush family is capable of, and so both he and Iraq suffered for that.

Hussein isn't troubled by that any longer, but America still suffers on under the Bush family's tender mercies.

That is a very balanced summary.

Saddam was a simple man who could easily have been played diplomatically with a combination of carrot and stick.

But the Bush administration wanted blood. The goof wanted to be a "war president".

No matter how you dress this up in patriotic niceties - every US life lost in Iraq was a wasted life. And every Iraqi life lost a crime.

That is how history will see this.

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by Sonic dB
lol... As if post ww2 Japan was a society devided by 1000 years of scarred tribal/religious bloody differences + throw in an abundance of the worlds most valuable resource?
You can't compare the two.

Japan was EXACTLY the society you describe in the late 1800's, but had consolidated entirely by the time of WWII.

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by svandamme
i think he got off easy, they should have left him alive, and imprisoned with zero perks other then a hole in the floor for nr1's and nr2's

he also should have been tried by the international court instead of by his own kind, and tried for all his crimes instead of just these few...to much left uncovered, he'll still be a martyr in the eyes of some, instead of having been exposed as the coward he really was

The IC has no death penalty, and what's more, the US does not recognize it's authority(neither do i for that matter).

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by svandamme
i think you are overrating the significance of his death, he was a thug, he was just a very successfull thug

chance for oppressed people? they were "liberated" years ago, what have they done so far with the chances before their eyes?
did they step up to the plate? how loyal and efficient are the few that actually stood up and join their own police forces ( considering they are in it for the moola not out of idealism)

nothing changed today, not really

We were 'liberated' over 200 years ago and all we've done since is hand more and more power back to those who rule us. Does that mean we don't deserve freedom too?

Everyone deserves to be free, whether they earn it or not, we all deserve it.

Originally posted by alf
I could not help but feel a sense of remorse and sadness to learn of someone, anyone, executed.

I cracked a big, fat smile when i heard.

Originally posted by Dottore
That is a very balanced summary.

Saddam was a simple man who could easily have been played diplomatically with a combination of carrot and stick.

But the Bush administration wanted blood. The goof wanted to be a "war president".

No matter how you dress this up in patriotic niceties - every US life lost in Iraq was a wasted life. And every Iraqi life lost a crime.

That is how history will see this.

I love revisionism.

Saddam was a murdering thug. THAT is how history will remember him.

[fastpat]

An extensive list of US government involvement with Hussein, but of particular interest is the following.

A dictator created then destroyed by America
Who encouraged Saddam to invade Iran in 1980, which was the greatest war crime he has committed for it led to the deaths of a million and a half souls? And who sold him the components for the chemical weapons with which he drenched Iran and the Kurds? We did. No wonder the Americans, who controlled Saddam's weird trial, forbad any mention of this, his most obscene atrocity, in the charges against him. Could he not have been handed over to the Iranians for sentencing for this massive war crime? Of course not. Because that would also expose our culpability.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/fisk/article2112555.ece

[svandamme]

Originally posted by m21sniper
The IC has no death penalty, and what's more, the US does not recognize it's authority(neither do i for that matter).

The US doesn't even recognize the Iraqi courts when it comes to it's own US citizens operating in Iraq...

so big deal

my initial point was i don't think he should have been hanged anyway, because that's what he wanted ...it served his purposes in more ways then one

Originally posted by m21sniper

We were 'liberated' over 200 years ago and all we've done since is hand more and more power back to those who rule us. Does that mean we don't deserve freedom too?

Everyone deserves to be free, whether they earn it or not, we all deserve it.

we all know the stories about the insurgency in the Wild Wild West, with suicide bombers going after everybody , including their own, with religious fanaticism...oh wait, that wasn't the way it worked back then.. silly me

the Liberation of the Native Americans was a text book case of how a country should be "liberated"

very poor comparison IMHO

Originally posted by m21sniper

Saddam was a murdering thug. THAT is how history will remember him

i full agree in that respect, a blunt tool, a thug , no more, no less
rating him any more then that is an insult to real mass murderers the likes of Hitler and Stalin

[billyboy]

I bet he is having a good old time right now with those 72 virgins!

[island911]

Originally posted by fastpat
Since everyone else is denegrating a dead man, I'll post his positives.
...

Geeze Pat, Saddam TOOK peoples property.

What kind of Libertarian are you. Alll of this support for Saddam... I think that you are FOR the taking of peoples property. You're just another tool proping-up facists actions as acceptable, while under the guisse of being anti-government.

[svandamme]

Originally posted by billyboy
I bet he is having a good old time right now with those 72 virgins!

he was never a religous nutcase, that was just his latest angle for the purpose of giving the US occupier a run for it's money...

before that , he was the least religious of all leaders in the area.. even had a Christian foreign minister..

nope, no virgins for him, maybe a fresh goat or 2 , nothing more

[m21sniper]

Originally posted by svandamme

we all know the stories about the insurgency in the Wild Wild West, with suicide bombers going after everybody , including their own, with religious fanaticism...oh wait, that wasn't the way it worked back then.. silly me

the Liberation of the Native Americans was a text book case of how a country should be "liberated"

very poor comparison IMHO

You may have heard of the US insurgency in the 1700's, the one complete with guerrilla warriors and the world's first organized sniper corps. To the brits, we were every bit the criminals that the insurgents in Iraq are, and we employed some pretty 'barbaric' tactics ourselves(like specifically targeting British officers for 'execution' in a line of battle).

"US Army Snipers...providing surgical strikes since 1776."

My point however was not that we once had to fight for our freedom, my point was that freedom is an inalienable right, and we are all equally entitled to it IMO...even the dirty unwashed savage masses in Iraq.

[island911]

Originally posted by svandamme
...
my initial point was i don't think he should have been hanged anyway, because that's what he wanted ...
...

Ah . .. are ya sure it wasn't that Saddam really wanted to be "hung" ? (like a porn star . . . for the goat.)

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